Forum is Ex-Pentecostal??

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Dan, you are the most divisive poster in Faithchild/AFF history.

You claim it is so-called "three stepper Water & Spirit" adherants who are divisive but it is folks like you, Timlan, MOW and others who lead the charge to divide.

Your group does not want unification and toleration. You want to dominate. You want to change what it means to be Oneness Pentecostal. Surely you do not deny this? THIS IS YOUR AGENDA.

AFF is the best platform in the world for your group and you well know it. As a matter of fact, AFF is the only valid platform for your ideals.

Further, you are nothing close to PCI. You Sir, are an imposter.

You pose, preen and distract with patently Pentecostal catch-phrases while you peddle a new-fangled toleration of capitulation to Ecumenicalism to anyone foolish enough to give an ear.

Daniel, why is it you never, ever focus on anything but how repugnant three-step doctrine is? You never focus on the similarities between the old PCi and the PAJCers. You always point out differences.

Now tell me bubba, who is divisive?

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Well, Ed is entitled to his views.

I sincerely don't think I was ever "divisive." Heck, I don't post that much anymore.

I am indeed ex-pentecostal and from a standpoint of "reaching and impacting the world" I believe "old time pentecost" with its extra-biblical traditions, lack of critical thinking and an uneducated ministry - has been a miserable failure and is losing relevance with each passing day, year and decade.

I do believe Dan is wrong when he pegs Ed as an "ultracon".

Within the paradigm of "ole time pentecost", PP is anything but that.

I like Ed.

I do find it a little amusing that he no doubt looks in the mirror and thinks of himself as liberal and openminded and issues-and-substance oriented.

Yet he does little lately but carp and gripe when someone doesn't express his exact views.

Like Doug White, Renfro and a few of the other Johnny-come-latelys who started this board, Ed believes that a "pentecostal' board should be such that liberals like Dan or CC1 should just chime in with a "Yes Massuh ... I gwine be good!" every now and then.

His definition of an "apostolic" board is where "ole time pentecost" wins when any other views, are hamstrung, censored and contrived.

I find that view rather contradictory in an otherwise pretty intelligent guy.

Now When I say that White, Renfro and PP are and were Johnny-come-latelys is that they were not around at the beginning when Jim Yohe founded Faithchild.

Jim, for the most part, believed "truth" could stand up to error and win because it was truth.

These guys try to prop religious tradition up as truth and think a message board should be censored and contrived to that end.

But ... as Lenin said ... facts are stubborn things.

These guys are so far removed from Jim Yohe's original vision of a discussion board it ain't even funny.

And no ... I'm not making Jim Yohe the pope or anything.

But anyway ... Ed is certainly welcome to express his frustration.

I just don't believe in "contrived" message boards.

Let the best argument win.

Ed is right on one thing though.

I do feel a discussion board such as this is an arena and while we "fight" each other, I am posting not so much to other posters, but to the lurkers.

Coonskinner and a couple of his cronies pooh-poohed the idea of message boards changing "ole time pentecost."

They were just whistling Dixie in the graveyard.

The internet is changing a lot of things.

But unlike these pentecostal preachers, I don't believe it is because people are weak minded and easily swayed.

I have more faith in human nature than that.

Change is happening because ... well again ... facts are stubborn things.

I will readily admit that I have not been "substance and issues oriented" over the past few months. I found my attempts at such an exercise in futility because it would always devolve into a stupid one-step vs three-step argument by the agenda hijackers.

You are right, I hate the term "open-minded" and all it implies.

But the greatest mistake you, MOW, Daniel and other Ex's make is to think that I am party to some sort of plantation mentality. Friend, I have suffered for my disagreements with the status quo in a real and lasting way. MY disagreements with "the man" costs me something.

And...for the record, I have disagreed much more vociferously with Renfro and White than I ever have with Daniel Alicea.

I will give Daniel this much. We may rip each other to shreds on this forum. We may disagree in a nuclear way. But he has never once tried to hurt me in real life.

I wish I could say that about some of the others you mentioned.