STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Songs! - Page 7

rrford · #61 05-31-2008, 09:31 PM

IMO, it has been the combination of many things. World tragedies more abundant, the onslaught of technology, the eroding of decency standards in Hollywood, declining morals in America, the rising crime rate, etc. Sadly, as goes the world, so goes the church in too many cases.

As I stated, the desinsitization has now led to indifference. It used to be that folks would eventually respond although they had initially overrode conviction. I think we are seeing less and less of that.

My personal opinion, and some would strongly disagree, is that we need an incredible, undenyable move of the Holy Ghost coupled with a stronger pulpit than we have had in quite a while. (Notice I said stronger pulpit, not stronger personalities or abuse of the pulpit.)

Maximilia · #62 05-31-2008, 09:33 PM

St. Mark--this is awful and stunning, yes! Makes me just sick! I'm so thankful for the old fashioned, "I plead the blood of Jesus." Uh, I realize some have picked this apart too!

I can say I've lead worship many times, in a very rough inner city church setting, where we'd be fighting demonic spirits, and I'd start singing about the blood and somehow, things changed.

Someone, somewhere, once said you should try to present in every service--the blood of Jesus and the return of Jesus (Rapture).

What exactly are "seeker friendly" churches attempting to showcase? What's the point? I'm totally not impressed!

Maximilia · #63 05-31-2008, 09:51 PM

Bring on some hymns. I miss them and so do many others. Have the Operas shut down, because some folks prefer rap? Have the Civic Orchestras closed because some prefer country music? I think not. Who's really to say that everyone likes the modern hillsong style music. Are we just appealing to a certain crowd with this style? Hmmm?

What really could be more RELEVANT than a song like--This World is Not My Home?

CC1 · #64 05-31-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximilia

Bring on some hymns. I miss them and so do many others. Have the Operas shut down, because some folks prefer rap? Have the Civic Orchestras closed because some prefer country music? I think not. Who's really to say that everyone likes the modern hillsong style music. Are we just appealing to a certain crowd with this style? Hmmm?

What really could be more RELEVANT than a song like--This World is Not My Home?

I like some of the hymns. The classics like The Old Rugged Cross, Amazing Grace, etc. They are timeless and powerful.

However at my church we sing one congregational hymn on Sunday to keep the old geezers happy and while about half the time I really enjoy it the other half the time they sing some horrible one I have never heard of before. I think it is my churches outreach to visiting Baptiss, Methodists, and Presbyrtarians cause I sure never heard them in a Pentecostal church growin up. All of the other music at my church is awesome.

StMark · #65 05-31-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Maximilia

Bring on some hymns. I miss them and so do many others. Have the Operas shut down, because some folks prefer rap? Have the Civic Orchestras closed because some prefer country music? I think not. Who's really to say that everyone likes the modern hillsong style music. Are we just appealing to a certain crowd with this style? Hmmm?

What really could be more RELEVANT than a song like--This World is Not My Home?

some hymns transcend time and should continue to be a blessing to the church. I see no reason to cut them out of the mix. on the other hand, there are some that were good for that time and season. "the Royal telephone" comes to mind lol I too don't know what it is that so many are copying every dot and tiddle that the charismatics are doing. Don't we have our indentity at all ???

Cindy · #66 05-31-2008, 09:56 PM

It Is Well With My Soul. This should be a pentecostal hymn. In my opinion.

StMark · #67 05-31-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

IMO, it has been the combination of many things. World tragedies more abundant, the onslaught of technology, the eroding of decency standards in Hollywood, declining morals in America, the rising crime rate, etc. Sadly, as goes the world, so goes the church in too many cases.

As I stated, the desinsitization has now led to indifference. It used to be that folks would eventually respond although they had initially overrode conviction. I think we are seeing less and less of that.

My personal opinion, and some would strongly disagree, is that we need an incredible, undenyable move of the Holy Ghost coupled with a stronger pulpit than we have had in quite a while. (Notice I said stronger pulpit, not stronger personalities or abuse of the pulpit.)

define what YOU mean by " stronger pulpit" ? I don't think anyone would agree we need a move of the holy ghost. I think the bottom line is, most of the ministry stopped praying. the level of of consecration is low. noticed I didn't say "rules and codes". I'm around the ministry and I was around the old preachers too and can say there is a big difference

StMark · #68 05-31-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cneasttx

It Is Well With My Soul. This should be a pentecostal hymn. In my opinion.

awesome song!

Scott Hutchinson · #69 05-31-2008, 09:59 PM

Keep the real music in the church,get a fiddle player and a banjo and mandolin and a upright bass player and a flat top guitar picker and do songs like Jesus hold my hand and the great speckled bird and have real music in the church.

CC1 · #70 05-31-2008, 10:00 PM

There is actually a modern song that does not have a catchy melody but the words are so powerful that it just grips me every time we sing it. It is "In Christ Alone".

I posted the lyrics one time either here or back on NFCF and I think everybody from ultra con to lib agreed they were powerful.