Revisiting the "PANTS" Issue

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Mark,

To me that would be like trying to feed a newborn solid food. A newborn
needs milk at first. That's a good way to "choke" the newborn to "death".

I wonder if today, children are not allowed to be children. You see little
girls dressed like teenagers. You can blow up a balloon but it contains
only hot air. And it can lose it it seconds. No substance. Things that grow
too fast may not last.

I have heard the miracle of the moment is the saving of a soul. But the
making of a saint is the work of a lifetime.

Just some thoughts!

Falla39

I agree with sis. Some old timers were even stricter! they would make a person totally change their lifestyle before they would even baptize them.
This was Proof of true repentance.

I know this is true because we have debated some who saw us baptize people who had mustaches. they thought we should make them go the the restroom and shave first.I remember this clearly
i'm not kidding


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[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by StMark

haha! I believe that everyone is at different levels. To them who know to do right .....


I do know a church in CA. that gives new people 2 week to "clean it up". that means get rid of the TV, shave the mustache, the pants have to go and the pastor wifes instructs the lady how to do the updo. If not, they are goners

Mark

Not to get in a big theological debate, but if our salvation is determined on our knowledge level this logically winds up being of works. PAUL wrote in 1 COR what people would not inherit the Kingdom of God. I fail to see any of the standards in that list.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by ShofarMan

There is nothing to debate. Sin is sin. Hell is hot. End of story.

I'm talking about explaning Duet 22

Is it only a civil law for that time or for today.

I was always taught that Duet was a moral law as opposed to just a ceremonail law.

many people here on the forum are always comparing this scripture to other scriptures in Levitical law. I've tried to explain that it's not the same.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by ShofarMan

There is nothing to debate. Sin is sin. Hell is hot. End of story.

This is the point exactly -- proof text a verse in the NT that says this is a sin.

I know a lot of preachers who wear expensive suits and I don't see anybody calling that a sin (and there is scripture against expensive clothing in I Peter).

[StMark]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

That is right Mark! If they had more proof they would use it.

I like a woman in a dress. However, if you research the matter sincerely you will find that it is misapplication. The question must be asked: HOW DID THEY APPLY IT THEN?

The difference in dress consisted on different undergarments, the belts (or material used to tie at the waist), and the hem of the robe.

Pants that women wear are different from men -- frankly most men could not wear by how they are cut.

Now they will respond -- YOUR GOING TO HELL -- Its an abomination!

BUt you are talking about ancient civilization stokes. You don't think that Duet 22 applies to whatever time frame you are in ? I know that 99% of the women now wear pants but again I ask, isn't this as a result of the breakdown of society ( for the worse, not better!)

[StMark]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Mark

Not to get in a big theological debate, but if our salvation is determined on our knowledge level this logically winds up being of works. PAUL wrote in 1 COR what people would not inherit the Kingdom of God. I fail to see any of the standards in that list.

I understand that.

In these cases, It's peer pressure

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Mark,

To me that would be like trying to feed a newborn solid food. A newborn
needs milk at first. That's a good way to "choke" the newborn to "death".

I wonder if today, children are not allowed to be children. You see little
girls dressed like teenagers. You can blow up a balloon but it contains
only hot air. And it can lose it it seconds. No substance. Things that grow
too fast may not last.

I have heard the miracle of the moment is the saving of a soul. But the
making of a saint is the work of a lifetime.

Just some thoughts!

Falla39

We have been missing your wisdom on this post Sis.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Nature -- is a bathroom door? Bro. Epley I want to buy you a bible dictionary.

I think he was being facetious.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by StMark

BUt you are talking about ancient civilization stokes. You don't think that Duet 22 applies to whatever time frame you are in ? I know that 99% of the women now wear pants but again I ask, isn't this as a result of the breakdown of society ( for the worse, not better!)

I was taught in heremeneutics that in order to properly apply the Bible one needed to properly interpret it in its original time and setting.

Most scholars believe that this verse was explicitly geared towards women who actively looked to be like a man. What we today would call a Butch. In this case, I do think a woman is displeasing God. She is intentionally trying to confuse the sex barrier. However, 99% of the women are not trying to confuse the sex barrier nor are they wearing men's clothing. It is clothing fashioned for them and their bodies.

[SonsOfTheOil]

modest pants? or immodest skirts hmmmmm. seems like in the Kingdom its the ideal of modesty that is the concern of God. not you cant wear this or that but...is it modest. but we do like to pick things out to pick and choose dont we