STUNNING! UPC pastors says" NO more Blood Songs! - Page 11

Rico · #**101** 06-01-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.

What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too

What are they going to do next, rip the pages out of the Bible that talk about Jesus' blood?

Monkeyman · #**102** 06-01-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is absurd to say Hillsong has nothing to do with the Cross. I prefer their music to almost anything I have heard in an Apostolic Church.

No cross? Take the challenge of listening to this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiy3_KRKNaQ

Someone is passing along lies it would seem if they say Hillsong does not sing about the cross.

Thank you, thank you, and thank you. These threads really tire me out and I am through with them. It is retarded to think that the UPC and apostolics have a stranglehold on anointed music. That the pentecostal hymnbook is the ONLY way. Is that guy an idiot to ask for no Blood songs? Yes!!! Does that mean Hillsong and modern music can't be anointed, NOOOOOOO!!! I really get tired of some of you and these stoopid statements.
This morning we had an ole' fashioned pentecostal breakthrough and again the Spirit took over and it was wonderful....the song that was playing while it blew open???? Matt Redman's "Blessed Be Your Name" some folks took the lyric to heart, just like Job...You give and take away, my heart will choose to say, blessed be Your Name

Brother Price · #**103** 06-01-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

I recently talked to a leader in another church who was upset over the pastor's decision. The pastor met with the Min. of Music , musicians and praise singers and told them there would be No more songs about the Blood!

His reasoning was that it scares today's visitors who have no church background.

What do you think about this ? I think this would upset me too

Give me a song, drenched in the Blood of Jesus, sung by hearts appreciative for salvation, who have been bought by the Blood and are not ashamed of it, and I'll show you a breeding ground for salvation and the miraculous!

This pastor's heart is in number filling the seat. How shall he stand before Christ with all that blood on his hands?

Monkeyman · #**104** 06-01-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by StMark

*THREAD HIJACK ALERT*

Back in the late 70's when Andre Crouch was at the peak of his success he gave a concert one afternoon at Mississippi College in JAX, MS when I was at JCM.

A bunch of us JCMers went to the concert and some got to talking to him afterwards and mentioned JCM, FPC & Lanny Wolfe.

Of course he knew LW so when he found out LW was at FPC holding choir practice with the FPC choir Andre decidd to drop by and surprise him.

I drove to the church and it was so cool when Andre Crouch walked in that fellowship hall door. He ended up singing some for the choir and seemed to have a realy good time.

It was a choir practice where the choir got blessed hearing someone else sing.

I love good ole jammin Black Gospel and around this period, 1977-1979 the JCM choir did a lot of Walter, Edwin, & Tramaine Hawkins songs along with Andre Crouch ,etc.

It is hard to believe that was 30 years ago! BTW Andre Crouch was at Dottie Rambo's funeral at CC.

LOL, to add to your hijack...the first time I met him was to hear him say to me in a quiet, gravely voice, "Ooooh, you're Hispanic...I just looooove chorizo", yea, ummm, I kinda moved along, know what I'm saying???

Rico · #**105** 06-01-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

As a rule such songs and messages do not move people the way they used to. I travel extensively and am amazed at the seeming calloused disinterest in such topics when they are preached. I am not saying there is never a response. Just a general malaise that seems to be slipping in upon the church at large.

The cross should always convict. But let us not forget that at the actual Calvary the majority of folks mocked, ridiculed and gambled while the blood flowed. Only a few were actually moved.

Brother, the reason for this is because people have become desensitized to the visual realities involved in someone dying a horrible death. We can thank Hollywood for this desensitization by making so many movies that depict people getting murdered or dying violent deaths. Seeing someone die on a screen has become so commonplace that picturing the death of Jesus on a cross doesn't have the same power it once had. Also, because there is a growing backlash against seeing so much violence, there is a movement afoot to sanitize the things we see.

Unfortunately, on both fronts, the Church finds itself caught in the battle. Picturing Jesus dying on a cross in our minds doesn't have as much power as it once did, and the push to curb violent images has resulted in the blood being removed from the equation in church services.

Brother Price · #**106** 06-01-2008, 01:21 PM

Rico, you said a mouthful here...

We were bought in violence, ransomed, and then released in peace. The Blood was shed violently, and the pain was agonizing. He did so much, and our generation now has become the desensitized so-what generation.

Lord, bring us to the point of use as a tool of conviction to those, that they may see You!

Rico · #**107** 06-01-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

IMO, it has been the combination of many things. World tragedies more abundant, the onslaught of technology, the eroding of decency standards in Hollywood, declining morals in America, the rising crime rate, etc. Sadly, as goes the world, so goes the church in too many cases.

As I stated, the desinsitization has now led to indifference. It used to be that folks would eventually respond although they had initially overrode conviction. I think we are seeing less and less of that.

My personal opinion, and some would strongly disagree, is that we need an incredible, undenyable move of the Holy Ghost coupled with a stronger pulpit than we have had in quite a while. (Notice I said stronger pulpit, not stronger personalities or abuse of the pulpit.)

One benefit I can see to all this "get the blood out" nonsense is a shift towards focusing on God's love as the drawing factor. I don't agree that the blood should be subtracted from the equation, but I do find the love of God to have a more lasting impact on people and much more powerful force for sinner's to resist.

Rico · #**108** 06-01-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

There is actually a modern song that does not have a catchy melody but the words are so powerful that it just grips me every time we sing it. It is "In Christ Alone".

I posted the lyrics one time either here or back on NFCF and I think everybody from ultra con to lib agreed they were powerful.

Very powerful song. It's a shame the fella who made it popular fell into sin, but I have heard he's made a comeback.

Rico · #**109** 06-01-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is absurd to say Hillsong has nothing to do with the Cross. I prefer their music to almost anything I have heard in an Apostolic Church.

No cross? Take the challenge of listening to this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiy3_KRKNaQ

Someone is passing along lies it would seem if they say Hillsong does not sing about the cross.

I love that song.

stmatthew · #**110** 06-01-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I will use this as an example. If someone said for instance "We dont want the David Bernard STYLE of preaching." Then the next thing said would be they did not want any preaching about the blood of Christ. It would be clear they were connecting the two together. DB and not preaching the blood. Same thing was done to Hillsong.

Mark went on on say:

If by gospel we mean that Christ died for our sins and rose again if it were Mark or whoever said this was totally wrong. Whoever it was that insinuates Hillsong does not do slow songs was totally wrong. Whoever it was that surmises that Hillsong does not sing hymns was totally wrong. Just click on the Youtubes and you will see.

Matter of fact SOMEONE whether it be Mark or that Pastor very plainy said the Hillsong STYLE is NO GOSPEL.

I am just pointing out the error of these statements with visual proof. Now if this UPC Pastor wants to get rid of slow songs about the blood of Jesus thats entirely up to him and the people that attend there.

Just dont try to bring Hillsong down to that level because it is not true.

Bro,

When it was said that the Pastor only wanted Hillsong stye, music, and no gospel, he was saying that he did not want "black" style music played. Black style music is called Gospel. It had nothing to do with Hillsong not having songs about the blood. It just means they will only sing Hillsong type songs that do not have the blood in them.