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06-02-2008, 06:22 AM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Where are these specialized "ministries" in the bible? I never see "healing campaigns" in the bible. They went out and preached the gospel. Do they talk about "my ministry" in the bible?
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3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Why would Paul say to wait on our ministering, or he that teacheth, on
teaching, etc.,etc. Could it be that there are those who have not waited
on the Lord.
King Saul, though anointed of God, lost not only his place as King, but also
his life. He would not wait on the Lord. He was on his own.
If we have not waited on the Lord then are we on our own also!
My late father was so careful because he so desired to not "get ahead"
of the Lord. There is much benefit in waiting on the Lord! We learn patience
when we wait. Patient waiting on the Lord!
They that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength, they shall mount
up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary, they shall walk
and not faint!
Blessings,
Falla39
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06-02-2008, 08:29 AM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
I think this hits the nail squarely on the head. The "Healing Evangelists" of the 40's and 50's emphasized HEALING. Salvation, it seems, was a "secondary issue". They used healing to draw people to the meetings. Advertisments boldly declared "The Blind See!". "The Lame Walk!". While altar calls were given and souls were saved in these meetings, the "thrust" (and the drawing card) was HEALING and deliverance. Oneness preachers of the day emphasized SALVATION ( Acts 2:28), and didn't place alot of emphasis on healing.
Doctrinal unity was also instumental in allowing these healing evangelists to hold big "union meetings"- they weren't as divided over doctrine as Oneness preachers were, and remain to this day. In fact- doctrine was downplayed in these meeting- while, Oneness preachers have always keep Doctrine on the front burner. And, in addition, Oneness preachers were more loyal to the respective organizations. When the Assemblies of God made moves to "reign in" Bro. A.A. Allen, Bother Jack Coe and others, they simply left those organizations and formed independent ministries and/or organizations. This allowed them the freedom to make claims of successes that could only be described as "questionable". The oneness preachers stayed within their organizations out of loyalty or perhaps, they simply didn't have anywhere else to go. An independent Oneness ministry had no chance of growth, so the ministers worked within the framework of their respective organizations. Unity was never high on the agenda of Oneness groups. I just wonder how many Jesus Name organizations were in existence in the 40's and 50's. The competition among these groups must have been high and this kept them from being able to work together. No Oneness ministry could achieve any notoriety because Oneness groups simply could not, or would not, work together. Bro. Branham, the closet thing to a Oneness preacher "on the sawdust trail", could only do so by becoming "semi-oneness" and "semi-trinitarian". He was known to have said several times, that he stood between the two and tried to reach out to both. This commendable action put him in the precarious position of being rejected by both groups. And this is what led to his desperate attempt to regain a "following" by adopting doctrines that only furthered his isolation.
There were Oneness preachers on the "sawdust trail" then, but because they found it necessary to work within their respective organizations, and were constrained to do so, they were never able to reach the level of renown as men like Allen, Coe, Roberts and Osborn. These men had the financial resources to reach the masses and used any and every available means to do so...including television. Television was never an option among Oneness preachers. I'd say the use of radio to broadcast the Gospel was denounced by many in those early days.
The brother referred to the Healing Movement as "the last great revival in America". I disagree. I believe there is one more move of God to sweep across America and around the world.
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I think like all things, you get affected by the influenes or culuture of the particular thing that your doing, when one evangelist has success doing a tent thing with a lot of advertisement then all others follow, of course flesh gets involved and like most things competition for money, crowds and influence resulted. But don't be to hard on those guys as they do what most people do.
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06-02-2008, 08:31 AM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
There were men used in praying for the sick and saw great miracles and healings during in Oneness churches during those times the difference was they did NOT promote themsleves.
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I agree, but even those that promoted themeselves are ministered in a way that our sensibilities or preferences were offended, still saw dramatic healings.
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06-02-2008, 04:49 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
OneAccord... great post. thanks for your thoughts...
We must remember that Jesus used the same tactics in his meetings.. He used the miracles to draw the crowds.. so I see that they simply followed the pattern of Jesus in their evangelistic work.
I disagree that there will ever be another worldwide or nationwide revival.. I believe the last revival is the Brides Revival of the pure Word of God
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I think we agree and disagree. Jesus did perform miracles to, in essence, draw a crowd. At least for awhile. If I understand the Life and Ministry of Jesus correctly, I see "stages" of His Ministry that parallels the 5 fold ministry. And, if I understand Pentecostal History correctly, I see that same "Jesus Ministry" in evidence in these last days.
The "revival of the last days" we all hope and long for actually began on the day of Pentecost with the fulfillment of Joel's (2:28) prophecy. Then and there He began pouring out of His Spirit upon all flesh that continues to this very day. And, I believe, will continue until Jesus returns for His Bride. (We may differ somewhat on what and who constitutes the "Bride". I believe the Bride is the Body of Christ- the perfected church).
The ministry of Jesus began as that of an Apostle. He selected and commissioned the disciples, and taught them God's Word. He then began the Ministry of an Evangelist, traveling from town to town, with special emphasis on healing. He then began a teaching ministry... more "in-depth" teaching on the Word. Later. His Ministry was that of a Pastor, comforting, encouraging, preparing them for the Crucifixion. His final earthy ministry was that of a Prophet, speaking to His disciples of future events ( Matthew 24).
Now, comparing that to the "modern day Pentecostal Revival" . APOSTLE: Calling and commissioning newly Spirit baptized leaders (Azusa Street, etc). EVANGELIST: Then the Healing Revival. At its zenith, there were hundreds, and thousands, of active Pentecostal evangelists. TEACHER: Then, in the 70's an emphasis on teaching. PASTOR: We, I believe, now are in a Pastoral ministry when the church is being prepared for future events. PROPHET: 2 prophets are to appear just before the Lord's return. This, I believe, signifies a prophetic anointing that we haven't seen yet, and won't see until just prior to the coming of the Lord.
I believe the Revival that we are yet to see won't be a great earth sweeping revival but will be a revival of Unity- something the Pentecostal church hasn't really seen since Pentecost. I believe this is what Bro. Branhams "tent vision" was showing him. The move of God would leave the big tents and move into the churches... where real healing's (spiritual) are taking place. The church isn't ready and won't be, until we break down the walls that separate us.
Well, don't have time to really get into it, but thats it in a nutshell. You may not be able to make sense of this as I am neither teacher or preacher.
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06-02-2008, 04:51 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
I was raised in a church where we continually saw healings and miracles. Our pastor was a mighty man of faith.
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06-02-2008, 05:16 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
I do not know if some of you would know about the old Voice of Healing Organization from the late 40's and 50's, but it was a ministry group that had men like Gorden Lindsey, William Branham, AA Allen, Jack Coe, TL Osborne, and quite a few others. It basically promoted men that had healing ministries during that time frame. While I understand there is a vast degree of opinion concerning most of these men, there is no doubt that they preached biblical healing strongly, and saw the results of the Word of God mixed with peoples faith.
I found one site that has an online version of one magazine (#1), and then the 2nd site has quite a few of the magazines available for download (#2). I found it interesting.
#1 Voice of Healing 1951 April/May
#2 Voice of Healing Magazines
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I've got just about every Voice of Healing Magazine in PDF format.
I've got Holiness and Revival mags and newspapers going back to 1881. There's some pretty interesting stuff.
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06-02-2008, 06:53 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by Falla39
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
Why would Paul say to wait on our ministering, or he that teacheth, on
teaching, etc.,etc. Could it be that there are those who have not waited
on the Lord.
King Saul, though anointed of God, lost not only his place as King, but also
his life. He would not wait on the Lord. He was on his own.
If we have not waited on the Lord then are we on our own also!
My late father was so careful because he so desired to not "get ahead"
of the Lord. There is much benefit in waiting on the Lord! We learn patience
when we wait. Patient waiting on the Lord!
They that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength, they shall mount
up with wings as eagles. They shall run and not be weary, they shall walk
and not faint!
Blessings,
Falla39
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Rom 12:6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
Rom 12:7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
Rom 12:8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
There were no specialized ministries....like you see today, built up around one thing and one person in the bible. Maybe you don't get what Im saying.
All this is saying if you have a gift to teach, then teach. That is pretty simple. This is talking about the local assembly.
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06-02-2008, 07:38 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
I think we agree and disagree. Jesus did perform miracles to, in essence, draw a crowd. At least for awhile. If I understand the Life and Ministry of Jesus correctly, I see "stages" of His Ministry that parallels the 5 fold ministry. And, if I understand Pentecostal History correctly, I see that same "Jesus Ministry" in evidence in these last days.
The "revival of the last days" we all hope and long for actually began on the day of Pentecost with the fulfillment of Joel's (2:28) prophecy. Then and there He began pouring out of His Spirit upon all flesh that continues to this very day. And, I believe, will continue until Jesus returns for His Bride. (We may differ somewhat on what and who constitutes the "Bride". I believe the Bride is the Body of Christ- the perfected church).
The ministry of Jesus began as that of an Apostle. He selected and commissioned the disciples, and taught them God's Word. He then began the Ministry of an Evangelist, traveling from town to town, with special emphasis on healing. He then began a teaching ministry... more "in-depth" teaching on the Word. Later. His Ministry was that of a Pastor, comforting, encouraging, preparing them for the Crucifixion. His final earthy ministry was that of a Prophet, speaking to His disciples of future events ( Matthew 24).
Now, comparing that to the "modern day Pentecostal Revival" . APOSTLE: Calling and commissioning newly Spirit baptized leaders (Azusa Street, etc). EVANGELIST: Then the Healing Revival. At its zenith, there were hundreds, and thousands, of active Pentecostal evangelists. TEACHER: Then, in the 70's an emphasis on teaching. PASTOR: We, I believe, now are in a Pastoral ministry when the church is being prepared for future events. PROPHET: 2 prophets are to appear just before the Lord's return. This, I believe, signifies a prophetic anointing that we haven't seen yet, and won't see until just prior to the coming of the Lord.
I believe the Revival that we are yet to see won't be a great earth sweeping revival but will be a revival of Unity- something the Pentecostal church hasn't really seen since Pentecost. I believe this is what Bro. Branhams "tent vision" was showing him. The move of God would leave the big tents and move into the churches... where real healing's (spiritual) are taking place. The church isn't ready and won't be, until we break down the walls that separate us.
Well, don't have time to really get into it, but thats it in a nutshell. You may not be able to make sense of this as I am neither teacher or preacher.
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I dare not mention Bro. Branhams name again but I must... the notes you brought out about Jesus unfolding ministry seems almost exactly how Bro. Branhams ministry unfolded....
First the miracles, the Pastor, the Teacher and finally the Prophet..... again.. not doctrine just an observation
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06-02-2008, 07:49 PM
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Re: Voice of Healing Magazines
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You may not be able to make sense of this as I am neither teacher or preacher.
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This is the only part of your post that I disagree with OA. Don't sell yourself short for I see God's anointing on you in a very powerful way!
Raven
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