The UPC is going to more emphasis on holiness !!!

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

BUMP for Alicea

In his book yes!

There is many titles with the word holy or holiness why is that? Do people have problems in this area? So all I have to do is read one of those books and it will tell me how to be holy? That's just plain weird.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

BUMP for Alicea

Being facetious. I think Jim brought it up to provide some balance.

I've been told that I do not tolerate other views yet I have no problem with conservative dress ... just extrabiblical teaching of it.

Say it's a conviction or a tradition ... don't make it salvific or bible.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am constantly amazed that there is no rightous indignation at the heresey this woman espouses at womans conferences all over the UPC.
Instead any mention of her is rebuked as just being mean to some poor lil ole sweet woman.

She may very well be a sweet woman who loves the Lord with all of her heart but her doctrines should be given proper scunity before being promoted and that has not happened.

Plus she needs to just be thankful that she has not been arrested by the fashion police for wearing those giant feathers for adornment!

I agree. I was speaking with my mother-in-law about the hair issue. She does not exactly know what to think about the magic hair deal, but she did 'try' to point out that when the lady washed Jesus' feet, after pouring oil on them, that there was a reason she used her hair. She thinks that is shows the importance of the long hair thing. I told her that the point of that story was that she used expensive oil on His feet not the hair on her head. I did try and point out that the reason she did use her hair, besides maybe not having a towel was that she was using her head and placing it under Jesus, kinda like submitting herself to His authority. She tried to tell me that it was about the hair being placed under the authority and so on. I told her that is reading WAY between the lines. My mother-in-law trims her hair from time to time. I believe that the only 'power' that comes with the long hair is from the faith a person has in it.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I agree. I was speaking with my mother-in-law about the hair issue. She does not exactly know what to think about the magic hair deal, but she did 'try' to point out that when the lady washed Jesus' feet, after pouring oil on them, that there was a reason she used her hair. She thinks that is shows the importance of the long hair thing. I told her that the point of that story was that she used expensive oil on His feet not the hair on her head. I did try and point out that the reason she did use her hair, besides maybe not having a towel was that she was using her head and placing it under Jesus, kinda like submitting herself to His authority. She tried to tell me that it was about the hair being placed under the authority and so on. I told her that is reading WAY between the lines. My mother-in-law trims her hair from time to time. I believe that the only 'power' that comes with the long hair is from the faith a person has in it.

Amazing. It would just be easier to say it is a tradition. At least it is more understandable.

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've been told that I do not tolerate other views

How could ANYONE every get that impression of YOU hermanito?????

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am constantly amazed that there is no rightous indignation at the heresey this woman espouses at womans conferences all over the UPC.

Instead any mention of her is rebuked as just being mean to some poor lil ole sweet woman.

She may very well be a sweet woman who loves the Lord with all of her heart but her doctrines should be given proper scunity before being promoted and that has not happened.

Plus she needs to just be thankful that she has not been arrested by the fashion police for wearing those giant feathers for adornment!

Here's the deal, CC1. She IS a sweet woman who loves the Lord. She had/has a THEORY about what I Corinthians 11 REALLY means, and wrote about it. Nothing at all wrong with that. What is WRONG is that the organization, an entity made up of ministers who ought to know better, has not suppressed an unbiblical doctrine, but has endorsed it by allowing her to teach her opinions at organizational events, sell her books, and other ministers have actually jumped on the bandwagon WITH her.

THEY are the ones who need to be charged with subterfuge and spreading of false doctrine, not RH.

It is my opinion that the upci as a whole has allowed this to continue, unbiblical or not, because it supports and cements an existing rule in such a way that women are fearful NOT to follow it. I find that motive, if it does exist, to be morally repugnant and unethical.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

How could ANYONE every get that impression of YOU hermanito?????

A la verdad no se mi querido colega en el Evangelio.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Here's the deal, CC1. She IS a sweet woman who loves the Lord. She had/has a THEORY about what I Corinthians 11 REALLY means, and wrote about it. Nothing at all wrong with that. What is WRONG is that the organization, an entity made up of ministers who ought to know better, has not suppressed an unbiblical doctrine, but has endorsed it by allowing her to teach her opinions at organizational events, sell her books, and other ministers have actually jumped on the bandwagon WITH her.

THEY are the ones who need to be charged with subterfuge and spreading of false doctrine, not RH.

It is my opinion that the upci as a whole has allowed this to continue, unbiblical or not, because it supports and cements an existing rule in such a way that women are fearful NOT to follow it. I find that motive, if it does exist, to be morally repugnant and unethical.

And that none of the UPC Bible college instructors has spoken against, written an article or book in opposition to this is amazing and perhaps telling!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Here's the deal, CC1. She IS a sweet woman who loves the Lord. She had/has a THEORY about what I Corinthians 11 REALLY means, and wrote about it. Nothing at all wrong with that. What is WRONG is that the organization, an entity made up of ministers who ought to know better, has not suppressed an unbiblical doctrine, but has endorsed it by allowing her to teach her opinions at organizational events, sell her books, and other ministers have actually jumped on the bandwagon WITH her.

THEY are the ones who need to be charged with subterfuge and spreading of false doctrine, not RH.

It is my opinion that the upci as a whole has allowed this to continue, unbiblical or not, because it supports and cements an existing rule in such a way that women are fearful NOT to follow it. I find that motive, if it does exist, to be morally repugnant and unethical.

Your point is well taken. Howeve I do not excuse her from writing the heresey in the first place.

I agree 100% with your theory about why it continues.