Outlawing Gay "Discrimination"

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Uh, no. Why?

Because my pastor preached on that very thing last Sunday... Freedom... how rules are only given to those who are free, to keep them so.
It was powerful, powerful, powerful ... the message.

And he discussed the Children of Israel and how they were a Theocracy, everyone was on the same level playing field.
They were so radically different than every other nation they asked to be given a king like the other nations. So they went from God's perfect plan, an all men on equal footing Theocracy, to a Monarchy...

Democracy is better than being ruled by one person, but it will never be the Theocracy that was intended.

Your simple statement was almost word for word what my Pastor said.
I just found that neat.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Unfortunately you assume too much. Did you read the article? The post was ambiguous the article shed more light on the topic.

I did not assume the law said anything. Im assuming that such a law that did what the initial post claims is bad.

There has never been a tactful way of speaking out against homosexuality outside of the church. I am assuming those that think this law is ridiculous are those that try impose their convictions upon others.

There is never a tactful way of speaking out against anything inside or outside the church. Is that a good reason to not speak out?

No, homosexuality is not good, it is a sin, but there are many discriminatory acts that christians do outside of the church that are utterly inexcusable. We are not talking about preaching, we are talking about discrimination vs. preaching what is sin and what is not.

We aren't talking about discriminatory acts. We are talking about being able to speak your mind and in particular teach againt a particular sin while outside a church building. That would also include bible studies in a home. That IS what we are talking about. Discrimination is already against the law.

You can agree with anti-gay protests all you want but I will only disagree with the gender identity aspect of this law.

Putting words in my mouth now? Please show me where I agreed with anti-gay protesters?

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I did not assume the law said anything. Im assuming that such a law that did what the initial post claims is bad.


There is never a tactful way of speaking out against anything inside or outside the church. Is that a good reason to not speak out?

We aren't talking about discriminatory acts. We are talking about being able to speak your mind and in particular teach againt a particular sin while outside a church building. That would also include bible studies in a home. That IS what we are talking about. Discrimination is already against the law.


Putting words in my mouth now? Please show me where I agreed with anti-gay protesters?

Read the first post.... then get back with me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Read the first post.... then get back with me.

It is now illegal in Colorado to speak or publish anything that can be construed as discrimanatory against homosexuals outside the four walls of the church. "God Bless America"

preaching that homosexuality is a sin can be construed as discriminatory by gays and used as a pretense to stop or harass christians who are holding meetings outside of a church or just standing on the street corner and passing out tracts and getting into a discussion with someone that is gay and is asked "is homosexuality a sin?" If the answer is yes and he quotes the bible, can that be construed by the gay person as discrimination?

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It is now illegal in Colorado to speak or publish anything that can be construed as discrimanatory against homosexuals outside the four walls of the church. "God Bless America"

preaching that homosexuality is a sin can be construed as discriminatory by gays and used as a pretense to stop or harass christians who are holding meetings outside of a church or just standing on the street corner and passing out tracts and getting into a discussion with someone that is gay and is asked "is homosexuality a sin?" If the answer is yes and he quotes the bible, can that be construed by the gay person as discrimination?

Discrimination is not defamation you are nitpicking.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Because my pastor preached on that very thing last Sunday... Freedom... how rules are only given to those who are free, to keep them so.
It was powerful, powerful, powerful ... the message.

And he discussed the Children of Israel and how they were a Theocracy, everyone was on the same level playing field.
They were so radically different than every other nation they asked to be given a king like the other nations. So they went from God's perfect plan, an all men on equal footing Theocracy, to a Monarchy...

Democracy is better than being ruled by one person, but it will never be the Theocracy that was intended.

Your simple statement was almost word for word what my Pastor said.
I just found that neat.

Oh, how kewl is that!?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by clgustaveson

Discrimination is not defamation you are nitpicking.

I don't think saying "homosexuality is a sin" is defamation is it?

The point is the post says "construed" to be. I think this is the fear of FOTF and other groups that these laws can be used to silence Christians...other wise why even mention "inside a church"? Who pickets gays inside a church? They preach or teach "homosexuality is a sin" among other things.

Well let's cut to the chase then. Would you oppose a law that outlawed speaking your mind that homosexuality is a sin outside of a church building?

I do agree certain kinds of discrimination of gays should not happen at all.

Discrimination though happens all the time legally. A job that only a woman can fill is discrimination. Men can't use a ladies restroom is discrimination.

[Praxeas]

The article itself fears it will infact be used against Christians for preaching against homosexuality as a sin outside a church building

But now an analyst for Focus, Bruce Hausknecht, has told WND there are other, significant, potential ramifications hidden in the fine print of the new law.


The law provides an exemption allowing religious groups to continue teaching, inside their doors, the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality. But the exemption itself is ultimately harmful to the church, Hausknecht contends.


"It tends to marginalize the church," he said. "They'll say, 'It's just a church.' It will allow gay activists to continue to marginalize Christians. They'll say, 'Keep it within your four walls. That's all.'"

Religious publishers, he acknowledged, could be accused under the law for publishing biblical condemnation of homosexuality. Colorado Springs, where Focus in located, also is home to the huge Christian publishing operations of NavPress and the International Bible Society.
"There are those who simply by publishing Christian materials could find themselves charged with a violation of this statute," he said.



The actual impact of the new ban on people responsible for "public accommodations" expressing beliefs that do not support homosexuality is unclear at this point, largely because charges haven't been brought and challenges weighed regarding the law and its potential impact on First Amendment guarantees of freedom exercise of religion.
However, Hausknecht warned there is "danger" in those waters for any church that provides any service to its community.


It is possible the law's anti-"discrimination" demands could be triggered when outside groups come in to use a church meeting room, auditorium or recreation facility. For the safety of the churches, perhaps outsiders will have to sign a document stating agreement with the church's religious beliefs before being allowed in, he said.


The targets of complaints likely won't be churches themselves, but more likely church schools, programs that offer services to communities and the like, critics of the law said.


"The intent of the homosexual activists who put this law in [was to] marginalize the church, keep it inside the sanctuary," Hausknecht said.



Now, I am not saying I agree that this is what this law will lead to, but IF so then yes I oppose it

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It is now illegal in Colorado to speak or publish anything that can be construed as discrimanatory against homosexuals outside the four walls of the church. "God Bless America"

preaching that homosexuality is a sin can be construed as discriminatory by gays and used as a pretense to stop or harass christians who are holding meetings outside of a church or just standing on the street corner and passing out tracts and getting into a discussion with someone that is gay and is asked "is homosexuality a sin?" If the answer is yes and he quotes the bible, can that be construed by the gay person as discrimination?

I heard about that Prax.

The church is going to be persecuted in the months
and years to come if the Lord should Tarry. The spriit
of the Anti Christ is taking over the earth and many of
God's people who are not asleep can feel it.

[George]

Originally Posted by StMark

I heard about that Prax.

The church is going to be persecuted in the months
and years to come if the Lord should Tarry. The spriit
of the Anti Christ is taking over the earth and many of
God's people who are not asleep can feel it.

Amen.