Where do the pharmaceutical companies go in search for new medicines? It's the Amazon, and places like that, correct? Who do they go to to find out what medicines these natives use and how they make them? The medicine men and witch doctors, correct? That's because the medicine men and witch doctors are the ones who treat these natives' illnesses, correct? Do you still want to insist that pharmacology doesn't have its roots in medicine men and witch doctors? You are only fooling yourselves because that is exactly where it came from.
Well, there are not many other places one could go to get the ingredients for medication, but once it is discovered they try to synthesize it.
No, they don't go to witch doctors and medicine men. They have to use the socratic method to practice and are highly scientific.
The methods are not parallel by any means. What you described sounds like some other planet.
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Where do the pharmaceutical companies go in search for new medicines? It's the Amazon, and places like that, correct? Who do they go to to find out what medicines these natives use and how they make them? The medicine men and witch doctors, correct? That's because the medicine men and witch doctors are the ones who treat these natives' illnesses, correct? Do you still want to insist that pharmacology doesn't have its roots in medicine men and witch doctors? You are only fooling yourselves because that is exactly where it came from.
Where do the pharmaceutical companies go in search for new medicines? It's the Amazon, and places like that, correct? Who do they go to to find out what medicines these natives use and how they make them? The medicine men and witch doctors, correct? That's because the medicine men and witch doctors are the ones who treat these natives' illnesses, correct? Do you still want to insist that pharmacology doesn't have its roots in medicine men and witch doctors? You are only fooling yourselves because that is exactly where it came from.
This is not entirely true. They study herbs and other things that have shown promising relief for certain conditions and then see how they can use it and improve it. They study it as a science. They don't do voodoo incantations. God made this planet and the herbs.
Most of the time they are just studying compounds in a lab, not out dancing sky clad with native witch doctors
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This is not entirely true. They study herbs and other things that have shown promising relief for certain conditions and then see how they can use it and improve it. They study it as a science. They don't do voodoo incantations. God made this planet and the herbs.
Most of the time they are just studying compounds in a lab, not out dancing sky clad with native witch doctors
Brother, I didn't say that was the only place they go. I know they are studying cures for lots of illnesses without having gone to the Amazon in search for a cure. They still, however, go into the Amazon to learn what they can from medicine men and witchdoctors. I just saw a program on this a couple of weeks ago on Discovery Channel. It was actually pretty fascinating. I mean, how did these natives figure out that this root mixed with that bark, this leaf, and whatnot would cure X? Who taught them what they know? It's not like they have laboratories to test this stuff out.
Brother, I didn't say that was the only place they go. I know they are studying cures for lots of illnesses without having gone to the Amazon in search for a cure. They still, however, go into the Amazon to learn what they can from medicine men and witchdoctors. I just saw a program on this a couple of weeks ago on Discovery Channel. It was actually pretty fascinating. I mean, how did these natives figure out that this root mixed with that bark, this leaf, and whatnot would cure X? Who taught them what they know? It's not like they have laboratories to test this stuff out.
They go to learn about herbs, not witchcraft though.
My point is just using herbs to heal someone or alleviate symptoms does not equal witchcraft.
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The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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They go to learn about herbs, not witchcraft though.
My point is just using herbs to heal someone or alleviate symptoms does not equal witchcraft.
They still go to the medicine men and witch doctors, Prax. I saw it with my own two eyes. The medicine man told his men what he needed, they went out and got what he asked for, and he then cooked up his brew. The guy that was there with the pharmaceutical company took some of bark, roots, and whatever else the medicine man used, along with a sample of the end product, so they could study it back at the lab. I find it incredible that anyone would deny that this is where pharmacology was born, but hey, whatever works. In fact, part of the reason there is such an uproar about the Amazon going bye bye is because we've only just begun learning everything there is to learn about treating and curing disease from it.
I find the premise of this thread to be absolutely breathtaking.
Sometimes, there are just no words.
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The Hebrew word for "witch" and "witchcraft" do not share the same connotation as the greek word. That might be significant. Secondly, in the context of scripture which does not forbid the practice of medicine, the use of herbs, or men and women from being nurses, midwives or doctors, it would seem more in keeping with scripture to take the alternative meaning of "pharmakeia" which is:
1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning
3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
Why only pick the definition which supports your belief? You cannot base a doctrine on a single and incomplete definition of a single word, used only ONE time in the New Testament. Especially since the conclusion you are deriving seems out of line with the rest of scripture.
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