In Paul's example in Corithians there are a few that speak (prophecy). Is there only one preacher in a local body? Does it have to be a preacher to prophecy?
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Cr 14:27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Cr 14:30 If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
1Cr 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Cr 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Who are the 5-fold ministry accountable to? Can the saint be accountable to someone in the 5-fold ministry without being in th same place as the minister?
They should be accountable to other Elders/Ministers/Presbyters/DB.
They are accountable to their local Congregation, and ultimately to God.
I have a question and I am being sincere when I ask it (I can visualize some of you rolling your eyes when you read it)...
Assumptions:
1. A person is mature in the Lord and NOT a babe in Christ.
2. The person is not disgruntled with anyone or anything taught
Question:
Why does a person HAVE TO find ONE assembly and stay put? If there were (let's say for the sake of argument) 5 UPC churches in your area, why can't you go to one of those churches each week in a around robin manner? I'm from a district where I know most of the long-timers in every church. We are all Bros and Sis in the Lord and are basically receiving the same doctrinal teachings.
Are there any scriptures to indicate that I shouldn't?
Why are people called "church hoppers", etc if they do visit other areas regularily?
working within the confines of your quesiton.
Lets say there is a person that is a spiritual grown up. That loves the lord and is not disgruntled or a problem maker.
Lets say they have a rotation of 5 churchs they go to.
they show up at each church in rotation every 5th sunday. Lets also say that these 5 churches are very close to each other in every aspect of teaching. But lets make it more interesting and toss out the notion that this is a UPCI or even an Apostolic church. Lets say these churches are some unnamed generic "christian"church.
Can this person be connected to all of these people? can they created real relationships that will sustain them in times of trial (which we all go thru)?
The answer here is no.
Frist because, the people they see at these 5 churches have a common culture that is an extention of their fellowship. These folk eat out with one another, their kids go to sunday school together, play baseball together. these people work at the church together, visit the sick, and in general these people are in the circle of friendship with one another. But here you have someone that is there/available every 5 weeks.
They just will not be a part of the culture of any of the 5 churches. period. we (all humanity) need more connection than that.
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They should be accountable to other Elders/Ministers/Presbyters/DB.
They are accountable to their local Congregation, and ultimately to God.
I believe we are very much accountable to everyone as saints of God. But again can;t you be accountable with being there every week?
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James 2
12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free. 13 For there will be no mercy for you if you have not been merciful to others. But if you have been merciful, then God's mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you.
Lets say there is a person that is a spiritual grown up. That loves the lord and is not disgruntled or a problem maker.
Lets say they have a rotation of 5 churchs they go to.
they show up at each church in rotation every 5th sunday. Lets also say that these 5 churches are very close to each other in every aspect of teaching. But lets make it more interesting and toss out the notion that this is a UPCI or even an Apostolic church. Lets say these churches are some unnamed generic "christian"church.
Can this person be connected to all of these people? can they created real relationships that will sustain them in times of trial (which we all go thru)?
The answer here is no.
Frist because, the people they see at these 5 churches have a common culture that is an extention of their fellowship. These folk eat out with one another, their kids go to sunday school together, play baseball together. these people work at the church together, visit the sick, and in general these people are in the circle of friendship with one another. But here you have someone that is there/available every 5 weeks.
They just will not be a part of the culture of any of the 5 churches. period. we (all humanity) need more connection than that.
What if the churches had 1000 people in them. You can't be that closely connected to all 1000 in one place. I can be closely connected to 5 in each church.
I have to say though that I'm not sure the argument of cultural connection by congregation is true. For instance, where I live I live down the road from a pastor of another UPC congregation and I have neighbours beside me from my own congregation and neighbours on the other side from another UPC congregation. I see my neighbours more than most of the people in my own congregation because they live in close proximity to me.
I moved from one area to where I am now and still have deep ties with that other area. There are no cultural differences. My kids and their kids grew up together and visited each other often. When you been in a denomination as small as the UPC is in our district everyone is deeply connected if you've been around any length of time. We joke aroung that we have to find spouses from the US for our children to expand the gene pool.
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James 2
12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free. 13 For there will be no mercy for you if you have not been merciful to others. But if you have been merciful, then God's mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you.
What if the churches had 1000 people in them. You can't be that closely connected to all 1000 in one place. I can be closely connected to 5 in each church.
I have to say though that I'm not sure the argument of cultural connection by congregation is true. For instance, where I live I live down the road from a pastor of another UPC congregation and I have neighbours beside me from my own congregation and neighbours on the other side from another UPC congregation. I see my neighbours more than most of the people in my own congregation because they live in close proximity to me.
I moved from one area to where I am now and still have deep ties with that other area. There are no cultural differences. My kids and their kids grew up together and visited each other often. When you been in a denomination as small as the UPC is in our district everyone is deeply connected if you've been around any length of time. We joke aroung that we have to find spouses from the US for our children to expand the gene pool.
are there good solid mature christians that are not productive? can one be a productive christian without having roots?
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My question would be how will this going from church to church effect your having spiritual offspring and how will it effect those babes in Christ?
Ahhhh.... excellent question. So it's not only just for one's own benefit but anothers who may need your mentorship.
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James 2
12 So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free. 13 For there will be no mercy for you if you have not been merciful to others. But if you have been merciful, then God's mercy toward you will win out over his judgment against you.
How is going to another building in the same denomination (who is part of the body/bride of Christ) eating grass on another man's property? Who's the man?
Look at the various doctrines/beliefs espoused here.
Some churches teach weird doctrine and then when people wig out it is very difficult to debug what caused the change and how to then help them to put their ship back on course.
I have seen lack of accountability second cousin decendants of Latter Rain and it was nothing short of chaos.
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