Will I.B. retract if 2 billion don't die soon???

[Revelationist]

Originally Posted by Kutless

can anybody point to anything specific that he has got wrong?

He has never said specific, without a out that something was really going to happen. He get's paid big bucks to guess and leave a out when it always fails... Better yet, can anybody point to anything specific that he's got right?

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I see the ramifications of this as beyond entertainment .... this magazine sat in the room of an impressionable mind ...

also those who are looking to debunk the Gospel are given an opportunity to discredit the Church as a whole... they really love this type of stuff

The ramifications for reading his book A Message to the President was that it eventually led me to receiving the Holy Ghost and being baptized in His glorious name.

Oh how Irvin destroyed my life because of my impressionable mind.

I don't think Irvin has ever said he's a prophet, but rather he tries to see what the prophecy is and if it applies to us today. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Anyway like I do in all these threads that like to discredit Irvin, I'm going to publicly thank him.

Thank you Bro. Baxter for having the guts look into the scripture and write your opinion about them, because you've at the very least helped get this soul to be with the Lord throughout eternity.

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by JamDat

The ramifications for reading his book A Message to the President was that it eventually led me to receiving the Holy Ghost and being baptized in His glorious name.

Oh how Irvin destroyed my life because of my impressionable mind.

I don't think Irvin has ever said he's a prophet, but rather he tries to see what the prophecy is and if it applies to us today. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Anyway like I do in all these threads that like to discredit Irvin, I'm going to publicly thank him.

Thank you Bro. Baxter for having the guts look into the scripture and write your opinion about them, because you've at the very least helped get this soul to be with the Lord throughout eternity.

I am right there with ya Bro. All I will say is ... he was the one who prayed my nephew and my best friend thru to the holy ghost. His grandsons are my sons best friends and without them my son wouldnt be here and yep its a long story but... I thank Bro Baxter for being who he is and where he is and he is a man with such a wonderful spirit. I agree totally Jam!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

He has never said specific, without a out that something was really going to happen. He get's paid big bucks to guess and leave a out when it always fails... Better yet, can anybody point to anything specific that he's got right?

Apparently he gets his altar calls right, brother Moon ... and to some that's what counts ... the content of the message doesn't matter just the Acts 2:38 message that follows.

Does TRUTH MATTER?

BTW, I'm a dude.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I see this reaction as similar to some who don't want to discuss the writings of Ruth Reider simply because it upholds a doctrine that they hold dear ...

regardless of it's veracity or testing it against Scripture ... or even agreeing with it at all.

These are published claims he has made, Mark ...

and is expanding his ministry based on some of these claims.

Dan it is obvisous you don't care for IB. But to compare his teaching to RR is a stretch IMO.

As to him stating we are in WWIII he quotes a politican as stating that. But I guess that is ok for them and not him???

I have never heard him state a date. I have heard him say it "appears" that IF such and such happens THEN within the next 12 months you MAY see this or that happen.

Why would he not talk about the news the news headlines are following scripture. Is that surprising to anyone who believes the scriptures?

I do not find his presentations as being fear mongering as you say, but informative.

Why folks thinks talking about the endtime is a fear issue is beyond me

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Revelationist

He has never said specific, without a out that something was really going to happen. He get's paid big bucks to guess and leave a out when it always fails... Better yet, can anybody point to anything specific that he's got right?

Yep!

He said the Berlin wall would come down BEFORE it did.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Apparently he gets his altar calls right, brother Moon ... and to some that's what counts ... the content of the message doesn't matter just the Acts 2:38 message that follows.

Does TRUTH MATTER?

BTW, I'm a dude.

Good grief Dan! Are you telling me you don't won't people saved?

Let me take your statement here and turn it like you want to do IB. Apparently you don't want folks saved unless it is done YOUR way!

You ask does truth matter as though IB isn't preaching truth. That statement from you is ridiculous! You are much more intelligent than that, or at least I thought you were!

IB preaches truth. However, you and I both know that men and women read the scriptures and come up with totally different interpretations as to what it really means. But to insinuate that IB is preaching a false doctrine is over the line. IMO

[SDG]

Found this interesting quote on the web:

Mr. Baxter' approach to prophetic interpretation makes it clear why the plain sense meaning rule is so important. That rule states: "If the plain sense makes sense, don't look for any other sense, or you will end up with nonsense." As with Mr. Baxter, you will end up with a very personal interpretation that no other prophecy teacher is willing to endorse. Exercise extreme caution with regard to Mr. Baxter and his unique interpretations.



Remember 1 Peter 1:20 - "No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."


Frank Stagg in his book, How to Understand the Bible, says, "God does not grant private disclosures that are withheld from other people."


1 Corinthians 14:29 says that when a prophet speaks, his words are to be evaluated by others, for "the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets" (1 Corinthians 14:32).



This essay has been written in the spirit of that admonition. It is good that Mr. Baxter is emphasizing the Lord's soon return, but at the same time use great caution regarding his very personal interpretations of Bible prophecy.

http://www.raptureready.com/who/Irvin_Baxter.html

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Found this interesting quote on the web:

Mr. Baxter' approach to prophetic interpretation makes it clear why the plain sense meaning rule is so important. That rule states: "If the plain sense makes sense, don't look for any other sense, or you will end up with nonsense." As with Mr. Baxter, you will end up with a very personal interpretation that no other prophecy teacher is willing to endorse. Exercise extreme caution with regard to Mr. Baxter and his unique interpretations.



Remember 1 Peter 1:20 - "No prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."


Frank Stagg in his book, How to Understand the Bible, says, "God does not grant private disclosures that are withheld from other people."


1 Corinthians 14:29 says that when a prophet speaks, his words are to be evaluated by others, for "the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets" (1 Corinthians 14:32).



This essay has been written in the spirit of that admonition. It is good that Mr. Baxter is emphasizing the Lord's soon return, but at the same time use great caution regarding his very personal interpretations of Bible prophecy.

http://www.raptureready.com/who/Irvin_Baxter.html

Dan you can search for articles to support IB as easy as to tear him down, But you obvisously wish to tear down this man's ministry.

And let me tell you and others, why this makes me so MAD!

YOU are playing into the hands of the enemy. You SHOOT your OWN soldiers!

What enemy can do any more harm that you do? Tear down the minstry of men trying to win souls. Oh yes give your self a hand, YOUNG man!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Esther

Good grief Dan! Are you telling me you don't won't people saved?

Let me take your statement here and turn it like you want to do IB. Apparently you don't want folks saved unless it is done YOUR way!

You ask does truth matter as though IB isn't preaching truth. That statement from you is ridiculous! You are much more intelligent than that, or at least I thought you were!

IB preaches truth. However, you and I both know that men and women read the scriptures and come up with totally different interpretations as to what it really means. But to insinuate that IB is preaching a false doctrine is over the line. IMO

Not once have I said you must do it my way ... but there is a parallel between those who support horoscopic bible doctrine and the magic hair doctrine in the name of not supporting the specifics but the general principle.

Ex:

Many of RR's sycophants don't believe in the angelic protection aspect of her doctrine but because she is for uncut hair they will even buy and sell her books.

Many squirm when IB makes outlandish predictions based on faulty doctrine but because he's a futurist and is talking about endtimes they stand by him ...

Would we do the same if a preacher claimed to be the gift of discernment is a salvific necessary sign for salvation but because they still preached Acts 2:38 it's okay ...

Why is it some in your circles REFUSE to fellowship divine fleshers anymore ... they preach THE MESSAGE?

Of course ... truth matters ... some of us just want to pick and choose.

Juanita Bynum preaches the Gospel yet she ain't got the the TRUTH nor is she one of our own soldiers ... is she, Esther?