Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 15

Aquila · #**141** 07-08-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe anyone has the Holy Ghost that smokes y'all fill this thread with 10,000 testimonies and I won't believe ONE of them. Years ago repented folks quit smoking much less HYoly Ghost filled. Can you smoke pot and have the Holy Ghost?

I've seen men high on drugs get the Holy Ghost while the smell is still on their clothing. I've seen some delivered instantly and others struggle for a time and be set free some time later. God doesn't always stay in the little box you try to lock him into.

Saw a man stinking drunk on alcohol get the Holy Ghost down in a Soul Winners Boot Camp. We don't have to clean ourselves up alone...God abides and leads us in the process.

AbundantGrace · #**142** 07-08-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If anyone has any doubts where this forum is heading we have 13 pages discussing if smoking is a sin? Good grief!!!!!
Anyone who smokes is NOT saved or folks who think smokers are saved are saved are not saved.

Again, you must be reading and getting your information from the KEV - KING EPLEY VERSION of the Bible!

Steve Epley · #**143** 07-08-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I've seen men high on drugs get the Holy Ghost while the smell is still on their clothing. I've seen some delivered instantly and others struggle for a time and be set free. God doesn't always work in the little box you try to lock him into.

I do believe folks can receive the Holy Ghost bound with all sorts of things but the Holy Ghost delivers. You can't have the Holy Ghost and be on crack, heroin, LSD, alcohol, nicotine. I do NOT believe ONE word of it.

Aquila · #**144** 07-08-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do believe folks can receive the Holy Ghost bound with all sorts of things but the Holy Ghost delivers. You can't have the Holy Ghost and be on crack, heroin, LSD, alcohol, nicotine. I do NOT believe ONE word of it.

Deliverance is often a process. While you might think the saint should focus on quiting smoking...God's delivered him of his porn habit and convicting him to bring his wife to church. God knows when and how to deal with the smoking in his own good time. And when God deals with it...God will deliver.

AbundantGrace · #**145** 07-08-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by U376977

Bro. Epley, I just love the way you cut thru all the "stuff" and state it in a way that is so decisive.

A holiness minister pastor friend of mine was approached by an evangelist who asked for a meeting. While holding a pack of Malboros in his shirt pocket. The pastor said, "I can't have you preach in my church, you are not called to preach." The evangelist protested, "yes I am!" The pastor said, "you need to get the Holy Ghost, in fact you need to get saved and baptized." He explained that no one can claim the Holy Ghost sucking on a cigarrett-and certainly not claim to be a minister.
I think you and he would have gotten along quite well.

Sounds like it - Two self-righteous preachers who act like they went to the Cross to die for sins and now are therefore, the righteous judge for all humanity!

Aquila · #**146** 07-08-2008, 11:51 PM

I firmly believe that if God doesn't deliver a smoker instantly...Eply would doubt that even God is saved! LOL

AbundantGrace · #**147** 07-08-2008, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know folks as big as the side of a house that eats like birds and other skinney as refugees that puts the all you can eat buffets out of business.
I am not talking about self control I am speaking of a nasty filthy habit that anyone who has the Holy Ghost does not do.

I beg your pardon. When I was filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I had a 2 pack a day cigarette habit. Yes, it was a bad habit, but I had the Holy Ghost at the exact same time I was taking a draw on a Marlboro. I know that you'll have some divine revelation that tells you that I didn't really receive the Holy Ghost, but my reply will simply be - The devil is a liar! Again -

AbundantGrace · #**148** 07-08-2008, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe anyone has the Holy Ghost that smokes y'all fill this thread with 10,000 testimonies and I won't believe ONE of them. Years ago repented folks quit smoking much less HYoly Ghost filled. Can you smoke pot and have the Holy Ghost?

Whether you "Believe" it or not, does not change the FACT that it happens. Don't put limits on God, just because you have a legalistic tunnel vision... Again -

Aquila · #**149** 07-08-2008, 11:55 PM

Wow...Eply...you ever know a saved, blood bought, saint of God struggle with sin? Of course...let me guess...you instantly think they became unsaved and need to get saved again. I have news for you...God sees things that are not as though they are...he knows and speaks the end from the beginning. God knows that he will at some point deliver the saint of God from the struggles they have and that they will enter into Heavenly joys unspeakable. In God's mind he isn't worried that they'll be lost...God knows their future. They are in his eyes..."saved".

Salvation is a lifelong process. Deliverance from addiction can also be a process.

AbundantGrace · #**150** 07-08-2008, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

If someone can't smoke pot and keep the Holy Ghost, then they can't take prescription pain killers and keep the Holy Ghost either. The level of ignorance among God's people amazes me sometimes.

Amen Brother Rico! It blows my mind and I've got to got to repent right now for my horrible attitude. I've allowed this to get under my skin and I'm about to blow my stack. Lord forgive me!