Can A Person Be A Smoker & Still Be Saved - Page 24

Rico · #**231** 07-09-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Rico,

sorry but I disagree you are missing the point on pork. They don't sweat and do not eliminate the toxins from the body among just the few issues that are naturally inherent. The meat might be better in some things but it still is very tainted not including the parasitic aspects.

The issues with parasites aren't an issue, as long as you thoroughly cook the meat. The commercially grown animals get a much better diet than back when Farmer Brown was the main source for hogs. Also, a lot has been done through selective breeding to eliminate the fat content in pork. Like most things, even hogs have been affected by our technological advances.

We need to use wisdom when looking at the dietary laws in the Bible. It's very important to take into account the differences in how animals are raised today versus how they were raised back when these laws were written. It can also be spiritually dangerous to make strict laws out of dietary guidelines in the Bible.

LUKE2447 · #**232** 07-09-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

The issues with parasites aren't an issue, as long as you thoroughly cook the meat. The commercially grown animals get a much better diet than back when Farmer Brown was the main source for hogs. Also, a lot has been done through selective breeding to eliminate the fat content in pork. Like most things, even hogs have been affected by our technological advances.

We need to use wisdom when looking at the dietary laws in the Bible. It's very important to take into account the differences in how animals are raised today versus how they were raised back when these laws were written. It can also be spiritually dangerous to make strict laws out of dietary guidelines in the Bible.

I understand your points and I agree with some. It still does not change the natural factors in the genetics which is what the law/God based things on. Again that type of reasoning attempts to undermine and out think God's reasoning by modern technology when clearly his reference was to genetic traits. Catfish don't expel toxins just like pigs. Guess what not good for your body. Also do some research on the commercial industry it not as good as you think it is. Not sure of what areas of study you have done but the parasitic aspect can go beyond the cooking of meat. Most don't eat extra well done. Also notice God didn't give a method for the cooking to justify the food. Also many pigs if in the wild are not fat so the issue is not fat. Another thing is wild boar have lean meat compared to most but according to it's physical traits it's still not best to eat those things.

"It can also be spiritually dangerous to make strict laws out of dietary guidelines in the Bible."

I doubt my personal teaching on this to a congregation is spiritually dangerous unless I said "we need to eat holy food that makes us righteouss"
or "Someone bring down some lamb chops and let's lay them on this sick brother so we can heeeeeeaaaaalllll him!" LOL!

Also I can't make a law, God does that and he already did.

LUKE2447 · #**233** 07-09-2008, 12:29 PM

Tape worms, hookworms and a long list of amoebae are far more common in the North American population than conventional medical experts have led the population to believe.... Parasites are found in highest concentrations in commercial pork products (bacon, ham, hot dogs, cold cuts, pork chops, etc).

This is a comment from Herbal Insights by Kroeger Herb Products

Also

"It is best to avoid pork altogether since tests show that pork parasites remain alive after the meat has been cooked to a char."

How well cooked are cold sliced hams? That is just a start!

Michael Phelps · #**234** 07-09-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I understand your points and I agree with some. It still does not change the natural factors in the genetics which is what laws based things on. Again that type of reasoning attempts to undermine and out think God's reasoning by modern technology when clearly his refence was to genetic traits. Catfish don't expel toxins just like pigs. Guess what not good for your body. Also do some research on the commercial industry it not as good as you think it is. Not sure of what areas of study you have done but parasitic aspect can go beyond the cooking of meat. Most don't eat extra well done. Also notice God didn't give a method for the cooking to justify the food. Also many pigs if in the wild are not fat so the issue is not fat. Another thing is wild boar have lean meat compared to most but according to it's physical traits it's still not best to eat those things.

"It can also be spiritually dangerous to make strict laws out of dietary guidelines in the Bible."

I doubt my personal teaching on this to a congregation is spiritually dangerous unless I said "we need to eat holy food that makes us righteouss"
or "Someone bring down some lamb chops and let's lay them on this sick brother so we can heeeeeeaaaaalllll him!" LOL!

Also I can't make a law, God does that and he already did.

No matter how well fed a pig is, they still eat anything in sight, and whatever they eat becomes flesh on their bones in 30 minutes.

I know what "farm raised" pigs eat, because we sell a lot of our waste to the farmers, along with other food plants that sell their waste.

Rico · #**235** 07-09-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I understand your points and I agree with some. It still does not change the natural factors in the genetics which is what laws based things on. Again that type of reasoning attempts to undermine and out think God's reasoning by modern technology when clearly his refence was to genetic traits. Catfish don't expel toxins just like pigs. Guess what not good for your body. Also do some research on the commercial industry it not as good as you think it is. Not sure of what areas of study you have done but parasitic aspect can go beyond the cooking of meat. Most don't eat extra well done. Also notice God didn't give a method for the cooking to justify the food. Also many pigs if in the wild are not fat so the issue is not fat. Another thing is wild boar have lean meat compared to most but according to it's physical traits it's still not best to eat those things.

"It can also be spiritually dangerous to make strict laws out of dietary guidelines in the Bible."

I doubt my personal teaching on this to a congregation is spiritually dangerous unless I said "we need to eat holy food that makes us righteouss"
or "Someone bring down some lamb chops and let's lay them on this sick brother so we can heeeeeeaaaaalllll him!" LOL!

Also I can't make a law, God does that and he already did.

Well, I am not going to get into a debate over the benefits, or lack thereof, of eating a well cooked loin chop. We don't eat a lot of pork, but we don't have a problem with it when we do eat it and make sure it's cooked well.

With regards to the dietary laws in the Bible, one can get on dangerous ground with making anything out of the Bible a law unto itself. After awhile, it stops being about God and starts being about following rules. That's how people become legalistic in their approach to living for God and lose sight of how and why they are saved. Again, using dietary "laws" found in the OT as guidelines for healthy eating is a good idea, but I don't think we need to follow them strictly and make a law out of observing them.