Why I break the law

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

WHO SAID HE DID NOT BRING A NEW COVENANT! Baron seriously you don't get it! There are things in the MC that are ETERNAL THEY CANNOT BE CHANGED! What do you not understand about that! They reflect God's etenal nature and will! God's covenants reflect his will and nature! Thus covenant after covenant will have most of the same things when it comes to what is right to do between our fellow man, God and our surroundings! Paul clearly points back to what the OT said. As what was right! TO do otherwise was sin thus we transgressed! The law pointed to God's righteousness! We failed through the flesh! The aspects of the law we failed showed our lack of character and holiness and our sinful nature!

Seriously I am about done with your circular reasoning.

In what way is my reasoning circular?

The covenant between God and Israel, MC, was conditional, not eternal. Are there some things that outlive the Mosaic Law? Sure. How do we know they outlived the Mosaic Law? We find them in the New Covenant.

Exodus 19-3-6
Then Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain and said, "This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 'You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you [a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites."

Jeremiah 31:31-33
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And as Mr. O'Reilly says "I'll give you the last word. Go."

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

I think Baron and Rico are just enjoying showing off their vast knowledge of scripture....

Or they are both know-it-alls.

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Or they are both know-it-alls.

But if you say it like that, they will take it as a compliment

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

I think Baron and Rico are just enjoying showing off their vast knowledge of scripture....

Originally Posted by cneasttx

Or they are both know-it-alls.

We can't both know it all. Rico is right when he agrees with me the rest of the time he doesn't know nothin'. C'mon Rico get out of bed AFF is calling.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

But if you say it like that, they will take it as a compliment

Well, it was a backhanded one.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

We can't both know it all. Rico is right when he agrees with me the rest of the time he doesn't know nothin'. C'mon Rico get out of bed AFF is calling.

[Pro31:28]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

It's almost like one of them does this for a living!

[Baron1710]

Audio sucks but I thought it fit

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4igDoH5gOw

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Pro31:28

It's almost like one of them does this for a living!

I know, right. That is why I haven't posted in this thread.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

1) the law had not passed away at that time!
2) Again NO LAW AGAINST WHAT JESUS DID! You are building fences like the Pharisees!
3) NOBODY is talking about merging anything! You seem to not realize this!
4) What is the definition of sin?
5) "The Bible tells us why the Jews sought to kill him, not what the Jews thought."

AGAIN, they sought to kill him because they had there own view! (facts of the event)

There view!

1) guy walking and caring his bed. TRANSGRESSION!
2) guy says "he told me to" Jesus in TRANSGRSSION as he told him to break the law.
3) Jesus in general word and action claims to be equal with God. TRANSGRESSION!

All of these facts say in the present state say YES he broke the law.

The problem is those are not ALL the facts.

1) No law against God working and God telling you what to do on the Sabbath as it is of God's initiative, not your own works thus not your burdens. Othewise really having a law given by God on what TO DO on the Sabbath would be a contradiction.
2) Guy walking caring his bed was instruction given by Jesus who is the Lord of the Sabbath and God manifested. Thus he did not sin as it was not work initiated of his own but divine instruction.
3) Jesus is God but the Jews did not believe him, if they would have the whole issue would have been moot as there is no law against to do what God tells you on the Sabbath. As God told his people to rest and gave instruction on limited action. Thus what God says goes on the Sabbath. God is not contradictory and the chain of divine order was not broken thus no transgression.
4) Jesus alleged breaking of the Sabbath pointed to his deity thus his ability to do as the will of God dictated as God is not limited on the Sabbath!
5) The general summary THEY DID NOT KNOW WHO JESUS WAS!

Also righteousness (to do what is right) does not change. Also merging Christianity in a works based salvation is something of your own concoction! Nobody is saying one is saved by doing the works of the law. If that is the case don't ever tell ANYONE to not, cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, covet,hate your neighbor, etc.... Otherwise you are transgressing and abandoned grace, thus making the blood of non effect according to your view! Those and others are still viable as they are principles God has given to us. They transend covenants as God's nature is eternal as are his laws which reflect his nature and character! Simply doing them never saves us! Nor does pointing to them as "to do what is right throw us under the law" You can only be under the law if you use works of the law as justification for salvation. Nobody is claiming that!

Weren't there provisions in the law for exemptions to working on the Sabbath, and example of which was an ox in a ditch?