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Old 07-15-2008, 08:02 AM
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Well I do have a probelm with unconditional election,but I do have a CD of dominion theology works on it.

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Old 07-15-2008, 08:04 AM
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I hear ya!
So, would you be afraid to touch it again? What about real wine at Communion?

I couldn't do it. It was my drug of choice.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:10 AM
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Nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation but in todays climate I would never drink in public if I did. I would never want to promote todays mentality among anyone. Also there is really no health benefit you can get from wine or other beverages that you can't get from the source by other means thanks to science. Though wine still works well for longevity and overall health in moderation. To much though hurts your health the alcohol contained in beer, wine and liquor is a neurotoxin that can poison your brain and seriously harm your hormonal balance too.

Actually eating and drinking live grape juice and the skins are much more beneficial than wine. So wine overall is not a solution any better than other means that are less risky to your soul and body.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:28 AM
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So, would you be afraid to touch it again? What about real wine at Communion?

I couldn't do it. It was my drug of choice.
Nope. I think you made the smartest choice you could make.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:36 AM
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Nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in moderation but in todays climate I would never drink in public if I did. I would never want to promote todays mentality among anyone. Also there is really no health benefit you can get from wine or other beverages that you can't get from the source by other means thanks to science. Though wine still works well for longevity and overall health in moderation. To much though hurts your health the alcohol contained in beer, wine and liquor is a neurotoxin that can poison your brain and seriously harm your hormonal balance too.

Actually eating and drinking live grape juice and the skins are much more beneficial than wine. So wine overall is not a solution any better than other means that are less risky to your soul and body.
My doctor advised against grape juices. They are EXTREMELY high in sugar and to gain the antioxidant benefit of wine from grape juice would require drinking nearly 5 glasses in one sitting. My doctor said it would cause me to gain weight and she also said, "And then you'd also be confronted with sugar issues." Compare grape juices with soda pop...you might as well load up on pop.

Wine in moderation is good for you. Overall, most alcohol in moderation can even moderate cholestoral. My weight, blood pressure, and numbers were real bad. I lost the weight by changing diet. This also relieved me of my blood pressure issues. But my numbers were still really bad. She told me I could drink wine and get plenty of omega-3s to help this. Guess what, after 4 months of this my numbers were back in line where they should be. I'm still a little overweight, but she said other than that I'm now in very good health.

It's not for everyone. But I'm doing far better now. No meds, pills, or prescriptions. Just some holistic health advice based on ancient practices of health and celebrating life.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:36 AM
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Re: Wine For Medicinal Purposes ?

There's nothing in the Bible against drinking small quantities of alcohol, period.
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Old 07-15-2008, 08:59 AM
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My doctor advised against grape juices. They are EXTREMELY high in sugar and to gain the antioxidant benefit of wine from grape juice would require drinking nearly 5 glasses in one sitting. My doctor said it would cause me to gain weight and she also said, "And then you'd also be confronted with sugar issues." Compare grape juices with soda pop...you might as well load up on pop.

Wine in moderation is good for you. Overall, most alcohol in moderation can even moderate cholestoral. My weight, blood pressure, and numbers were real bad. I lost the weight by changing diet. This also relieved me of my blood pressure issues. But my numbers were still really bad. She told me I could drink wine and get plenty of omega-3s to help this. Guess what, after 4 months of this my numbers were back in line where they should be. I'm still a little overweight, but she said other than that I'm now in very good health.

It's not for everyone. But I'm doing far better now. No meds, pills, or prescriptions. Just some holistic health advice based on ancient practices of health and celebrating life.

Im interested in this comment from your doctor. Is there some kind of documentation that points to this?
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Old 07-15-2008, 09:09 AM
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My doctor advised against grape juices. They are EXTREMELY high in sugar and to gain the antioxidant benefit of wine from grape juice would require drinking nearly 5 glasses in one sitting. My doctor said it would cause me to gain weight and she also said, "And then you'd also be confronted with sugar issues." Compare grape juices with soda pop...you might as well load up on pop.
Unsweetened grape juice has about 1/3 the calories as sweet wine. It's also lower in sodium and higher in potassium. I'm not sure what the actual sugar content is in either, but if something has less calories, then you are simply drinking LESS CALORIES. LOL!!!!! Unless you are a diabetic, the sugar content is irrelevant. It's the calorie content you need to worry about.

This link was provided at the Dr. Oz website (www.realage.com):

"...A study at Glasgow University measured levels of antioxidants -- thought to have a protective effect against cancer -- in a range of popular juice drinks. Purple concord grape juice came out on top, with the highest levels and range of antioxidants. Incidentally, this juice has the same level of these compounds as Beaujolais red wine.

It's recommended that we add a glass of grape juice to our daily diet and count it as one of our five daily fruits and vegetables...."
www.thecancerblog.com

I think it's safe to say that if concord grape juice has the same level of antioxidant compounds as red wine, then drinking 1 cup of one will have the same benefit as drinking 1 cup of the other.
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How is it? If you can drink surely you can do it at anytime? In fact, if the whole church is "stong" then the pastor can have a bottle in the pulpit!
Sex between a husband and wife is biblically acceptable, and in fact encouraged. However, it is not condoned in the pulpit or during a corporate worship setting.

The same discernment should be used against your blanket statement above. If one cannot follow Biblical admonitions of appropriate behavior, then one should abstain altogether, whether it be wine, sex or otherwise.

God bless.
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"...The authors of the Mediterranean Diet Pyramid recommend moderate consumption of wine. The American Heart Association recommends drinking in moderation. Most Mediterranean people drink with their meals. Consuming an alcoholic beverage in moderation means drinking no more than one glass of beer, wine or a cocktail a day for a woman and two for a man. This may reduce heart attack risk by raising HDL levels somewhat and by inhibiting blood clotting, however, alcohol is addictive and can lead to destructive behavior. Over-consumption can cause high blood pressure and weakening of the heart muscle. Studies suggest drinking grape juice can have the same beneficial effect as drinking wine. OPC's (Oligomeric Proantho Cyannidins) are located in the skin and seeds of grapes and are powerful free radical quenchers. If you do drink, do so in moderation. If you don't drink, don't start. Drinking purple grape juice may be a healthier alternative for some...." www.womensheart.org
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