Do you still believe in Corporal punishment?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Everyone has the right to raise their child as they see fit, mistakes and all, unless there is real abuse occurring. If I stand idly by and allow a child to be abused under the umbrella of "parental rights", what kind of person does that make me? Their rights are more important than a child's safety and wellbeing?

If someone is causing actual physical injury to a child, the child should be protected. To be clear, I'm not calling "red marks" left from spanking "real abuse" (necessarily), although my FIL spanked my husband and his brother so hard one time that their backside and legs bled. I'd call that abusive.

That's like saying a man has the right to treat his wife however he wishes, whether he's a jerk or not. Well, sure. Unless I happen to witness him punching her in the face. Then I'm going to call the police.

Abusing a child puts one in much worse company than Karl Marx. I wouldn't report someone just for spanking their child--even if they did it when the child didn't really need a spanking. That's bad judgment--not abuse. But if a child was actually being harmed, I most certainly would report them. Absolutely. Karl Marx or not. The Law is for the Lawless.

I'm ALL FOR societal order, Miss B.

Societal order comes from societal agreement about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. As a practice, this generally has worked well for a society made up predominantly of Christian individuals, with behavioral guidelines derived from aspects of Christian morality, as America was founded to be.

The presuppositions under which you are operating, however, break down when the arbiters of acceptable and unacceptable behavior are practitioners of anti-Christian doctrine, rather than people who respect Christian and/or traditional family values. Said arbiters are the family court judges, legal "experts," and social workers. The anti-Christian doctrine is Political Correctness, and its founding tenet is, indeed, the DESTRUCTION of the traditional family. But I'm sure they've got your best interests at heart . . .

The best part about PC is that its practitioners can accomplish its chief goal without realizing what it truly is.

This is serious stuff, and these are serious times. Calling for the law no longer summons Andy Griffith. Our population is becoming less moral and more secular.

The record is FULL of cases where CPS stepped in and removed children with zero evidence, and the parents spent weeks, months, and thousands "proving their innocence" against an anonymous accuser. Often the Foster care system further traumatizes children. At key ages, the bonding periods forfeited can never be regained. On the flip side of the record are the cases where many calls were made, several CPS visits occurred, and the parent(s), through acts of commission or omission, killed the kid anyway.

Although this looks like proof that the "child protection" system isn't very good at achieving its goal, it makes perfect sense when you realize that its goal isn't truly the protection of every individual child. Its goal is to use fear to herd families into an ever-narrowing band of conformity to self-destructive behaviors.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion that you will consider a call to the authorities over some other person's kid a viable option. The trouble is that all the suspicion and intuition in the world is NOT PROOF - but the authorities swoop in and take the kids prior to the investigation as though it were. I would only place the call if I saw, with my own eyes, a parent punch their kid or break a bone. The Golden Rule comes into play here, and there are plenty of "others" out there who think whatever training method you're currently using IS "real abuse."

Woe to them who appeal to the mercies of a merciless system.