Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Actually, I will let you go first and givie biblical proof.. or examples of any shouting in the scriptures... bearing in mind that the word shout in scripture has nothing to do with body movement.. but rather loud vocal expression

I would love to see your scriptural examples of one PENTECOSTAL JERK and SHOUT in the scriptures... and then I will be happy to give my proof why we should not JERK UNCONTROLLABLY AND SHOUT

I figured you would try to deflect, sorry doc, the burden of proof is upon you to prove that it isn't allright to shout, not me. You brought it up, so the challenge is upon you. I'll be waiting patiently, then I'll give you scripture to back my claim that it is okay to shout. If you cannot provide scritural text, then do not expect an answer from me.

*for the record, I personally don't "jerk" as you would say, but I've seen people under the influence of the Holy Ghost do strange things*

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I figured you would try to deflect, sorry doc, the burden of proof is upon you to prove that it isn't allright to shout, not me. You brought it up, so the challenge is upon you. I'll be waiting patiently, then I'll give you scripture to back my claim that it is okay to shout. If you cannot provide scritural text, then do not expect an answer from me.

*for the record, I personally don't "jerk" as you would say, but I've seen people under the influence of the Holy Ghost do strange things*

Wrong precious brother... I did'nt stat this thread.. nor did I begin a dialoge with you..... so it is I who patiently wait..

Lets begin with the 1st scripture in this arsenal

"Let all things be done in decency and order"
Does out of control jerking and shouting, rolling in the floor like like decency and Order to you?

Especially when they tell you afterwards..."Something just took over me... I couldn't help what I was doing"

Order is control..... so if you had no control,,, you had no ORDER......

We will begin with that one

Or what about Keeping your foot in the house of God......

Ok I promised only 1 to start with.. your turn

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Wrong precious brother... I did'nt stat this thread.. nor did I begin a dialoge with you..... so it is I who patiently wait..

Lets begin with the 1st scripture in this arsenal

"Let all things be done in decency and order"
Does out of control jerking and shouting, rolling in the floor like like decency and Order to you?

Especially when they tell you afterwards..."Something just took over me... I couldn't help what I was doing"

Order is control..... so if you had no control,,, you had no ORDER......

We will begin with that one

Or what about Keeping your foot in the house of God......

Ok I promised only 1 to start with.. your turn

Okay doc; If God is in control, then anyway one worships is NOT out of order; however, I will concede that there are those that may not allow the Spirit of God to work in thier lives but will perhaps put on a show. (but who am I, or who are you to determine this?) Now, since you TRIED to produce something for your argument, let me give you the real breakdown my friend. II Corinthians 3:17 (quoting the apostle that you quoted) "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". The "liberty" spoken here is the liberty that the Spirit of the Lord wills, not what we will. If the Holy Spirit is designed to work in our lives, who are we to say He will not give us the unction to act accordingly? So, I suppose your right about the "UNCONTROLLED" movements; however, God is in CONTROL even in our worship (that includes shouting).
BTW, Since it is your argument, please show a specific scripture to back your claim. There are 80% of us that would like to see it.

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Okay doc; If God is in control, then anyway one worships is NOT out of order; however, I will concede that there are those that may not allow the Spirit of God to work in thier lives but will perhaps put on a show. (but who am I, or who are you to determine this?) Now, since you TRIED to produce something for your argument, let me give you the real breakdown my friend. II Corinthians 3:17 (quoting the apostle that you quoted) "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". The "liberty" spoken here is the liberty that the Spirit of the Lord wills, not what we will. If the Holy Spirit is designed to work in our lives, who are we to say He will not give us the unction to act accordingly? So, I suppose your right about the "UNCONTROLLED" movements; however, God is in CONTROL even in our worship (that includes shouting).
BTW, Since it is your argument, please show a specific scripture to back your claim. There are 80% of us that would like to see it.

True Liberty is the ability to overcome your own emotions and submit to the teaching of Gods Word.....

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

True Liberty is the ability to overcome your own emotions and submit to the teaching of Gods Word.....

God created man with emotions because He has emotions and now you wanna come along and say it's wrong to praise Him with our emotions. Hilarious!

[B_Kendrick]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

RICO --- its not the instructions.. its the meaning of the word dance.. and it has nothing that resemebles SHOUTING OR JERKING... When David danced it was not SHOUTING ..... no Jewish dancing looks like shouting...

First of all there were no drums and David would have needed a good Apostolic BEAT to SHOUT...

Ah hah! I see your problem there doc... Thats what I would call emotions. I see people at a rock concert that might shout. That means you aren't shouting for God, but just to the beat of a drum!
Have you ever danced with all of your might? That means putting out a lot of energy right? That means the two-step wouldn't work for dancing with all of your might. He danced so hard, he came out of his clothes! Uh, sorry... Thats where I would use the term, SHOUTING!

BTW! I think the elder knows a whole lot more than you do, therefore I'll take his word for it! Whatever he says goes!

[B_Kendrick]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Okay doc; If God is in control, then anyway one worships is NOT out of order; however, I will concede that there are those that may not allow the Spirit of God to work in thier lives but will perhaps put on a show. (but who am I, or who are you to determine this?) Now, since you TRIED to produce something for your argument, let me give you the real breakdown my friend. II Corinthians 3:17 (quoting the apostle that you quoted) "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". The "liberty" spoken here is the liberty that the Spirit of the Lord wills, not what we will. If the Holy Spirit is designed to work in our lives, who are we to say He will not give us the unction to act accordingly? So, I suppose your right about the "UNCONTROLLED" movements; however, God is in CONTROL even in our worship (that includes shouting).
BTW, Since it is your argument, please show a specific scripture to back your claim. There are 80% of us that would like to see it.

Thats exactly right! People mistake putting on a show, for the spirit really touching somebody!

[Tyk]

I voted yes, and it seems your initial assumption was incorrect from the poll!

Secondly, I believe in shouting unto God - not shouting because i'm pentecostal or I'm with pentecostals. I actually prefer to shout when I am alone rather than infront of others - and no because of my pride - BUT BECAUSE of my pride.

That's not to hard to figure out if you read it right!

Originally Posted by B_Kendrick

Ah hah! I see your problem there doc... Thats what I would call emotions. I see people at a rock concert that might shout. That means you aren't shouting for God, but just to the beat of a drum!
Have you ever danced with all of your might? That means putting out a lot of energy right? That means the two-step wouldn't work for dancing with all of your might. He danced so hard, he came out of his clothes! Uh, sorry... Thats where I would use the term, SHOUTING!

BTW! I think the elder knows a whole lot more than you do, therefore I'll take his word for it! Whatever he says goes!

Glad to hear of your faith in the Elder......

I have danced with all my might twice a year in Jerusalem with the Jewish believers... and trust me their dancing is ten times more intense than Pentecostals.. but its CONTROLLED... its not jerking, its not screaming uncontrollably,, its not voodooish... is not rolling in floors.. its not running into walls.... its a controlled and yet expressive celebration... it gives honor to God rather than attention to man

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

True Liberty is the ability to overcome your own emotions and submit to the teaching of Gods Word.....

So, since God created within man the ability to have emotions; are you suggesting that He will not have a play in our emotions when we yield to Him? Are you trying to suggest that I cannot shout because of the excitement I feel towards a God who has delivered me from sin? Or the God who saved me from certain death? Or the God who blessed me when thier didn't seem to be a way out of no way? Or the God who fills the universe with all His wonders who visits little ole me? Or the God who gave me the most precious gift of all, His Spirit?! You want me to be silent? Excuse me, but when a preacher preaches about God, you can sit around like a bump on a pickle if you want, but I'm gonna shout. Call me a sinner if you want, but when I think of His goodness and all He has done for me, I'm gonna shout! I think Shirley Ceasar said it best, HOLD MY MULE!!!!