Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting? - Page 28

#**271** 07-19-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Let me see if I understand? The multitude hearing and seeing them supposed they were drunk on new wine because folks drunk on new wine speak other languages? Evidently they appeared drunk to the onlookers that were present however you NOT being there understand better than those who were there?
I understand I guess well maybe not?

Elder I simply presented the scriptures in Chronological order.... and pointed out that the entire question about being drunk had nothing to do with worship it was strictly concerning tongues....

stmatthew · #**272** 07-19-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

No, but him and his buddies knew a few dozon languages, you might say,

"Wow! How did you guys learn so many languages? Whatever this new stuff is you are drinking... give me some of that!"

How would I know Simon was speaking in German, and Peter was speaking in Italian, unless I understood both languages.

I am simply putting myself in the place of these folks that were there. If I saw a foreigner speaking in my native language, I would not think he was drunk. That is ridiculous. The only way I would consider someone drunk is by their actions (i.e. staggering, slurred speech, falling down).

Do I think they were flip flopping around? Probably not. But there is no doubt in my mind that the crowd supposed they were drunk. And just speaking in a native language in a city that had upwards of a million folks present would not even touch the suspicion radar. No, they thought they were drunk because there was an action taking place in the newly filled believers that caused them to believe they were drunk.

#**273** 07-19-2008, 09:38 PM

I bet StMark and some of you guys would consider this church dead..... when I see the total opposite

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DhPU6V_HzXo&feature=related

Steve Epley · #**274** 07-19-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Elder I simply presented the scriptures in Chronological order.... and pointed out that the entire question about being drunk had nothing to do with worship it was strictly concerning tongues....

Sorry NO prize. I understood what you said but it was wrong. You claim we base our demonstative worship on assumption and I declare you base you argument on asummptions having to be read INTO the text. The text itself is clear. The onlookers thought they were drunk on new wine not linquists but drunkards. Again Peter said it was BOTH seen and heard v.33.

stmatthew · #**275** 07-19-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Dear friend,, lets take it a bit further to its true conclusion.... your best friend walked into the store.. he is chinese... you know he knows not ONE WORD of English and he walks in and says "Hey St. Matthew, what up man,,, beautiful morning isn't it" you stand there OK WHAT IS THIS DUDE ON?? HOW DID HE DO THAT..... you would be marvelled and amazed and in a lack of understanding you might say anything such as ...... dude.. how did you do that... man what are you smoking....

So now I am to surmise that in a group of over a million that descended into Jerusalem that all these folks KNEW that Peter and the 120 did not know their particular dialect?? You are comparing apples to watermelons here.

1. You have stated that the Chinese man IS MY BEST FRIEND. The Jews that were at Jerusalem for the Feast did not know the 120 from ADAM. They would not be amazed to here someone speaking in their language because any Jew from their specific land worth his salt would have made the journey to Jerusalem.

It was not that they heard them speaking in their own language. it was WHAT THEY WERE SPEAKING that caused the issue.

#**276** 07-19-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

How would I know Simon was speaking in German, and Peter was speaking in Italian, unless I understood both languages.

I am simply putting myself in the place of these folks that were there. If I saw a foreigner speaking in my native language, I would not think he was drunk. That is ridiculous. The only way I would consider someone drunk is by their actions (i.e. staggering, slurred speech, falling down).

Do I think they were flip flopping around? Probably not. But there is no doubt in my mind that the crowd supposed they were drunk. And just speaking in a native language in a city that had upwards of a million folks present would not even touch the suspicion radar. No, they thought they were drunk because there was an action taking place in the newly filled believers that caused them to believe they were drunk.

but you fail to understand,,, the onlookers KNEW these folks could not speak their language... watch the verse carfefully

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

THEY KNEW the Galilaeans could not speak their languages,, the Galiaeans were unlearned people......

I beg you go back to the 2nd chapter of Acts and TELL ME WHAT THEY WAS AMAZED ABOUT... tell me why they asked in they were drunk..... please

Steve Epley · #**277** 07-19-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I bet StMark and some of you guys would consider this church dead..... when I see the total opposite

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DhPU6V_HzXo&feature=related

The guy leading is toooooooooooooo emotional.

I certainly would NOT think that was dead. Worship has many moods.

#**278** 07-19-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sorry NO prize. I understood what you said but it was wrong. You claim we base our demonstative worship on assumption and I declare you base you argument on asummptions having to be read INTO the text. The text itself is clear. The onlookers thought they were drunk on new wine not linquists but drunkards. Again Peter said it was BOTH seen and heard v.33.

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

They marvelled not at their worship Elder,, they marvelled at Galilaens speaking in their own languages which they KNEW the Galileans did not know.. and at this amazement,, NOTHING MORE ELDER,, they asked.. HOW ARE THEY DOING THIS.. is this some sort of NEW WINE giving them this ability?

Steve Epley · #**279** 07-19-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

They marvelled not at their worship Elder,, they marvelled at Galilaens speaking in their own languages which they KNEW the Galileans did not know.. and at this amazement,, NOTHING MORE ELDER,, they asked.. HOW ARE THEY DOING THIS.. is this some sort of NEW WINE giving them this ability?

YOU are saying nothing more the text is NOT saying that. Folks were SEEING something also. v.33

Hoovie · #**280** 07-19-2008, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

How would I know Simon was speaking in German, and Peter was speaking in Italian, unless I understood both languages.

I am simply putting myself in the place of these folks that were there. If I saw a foreigner speaking in my native language, I would not think he was drunk. That is ridiculous. The only way I would consider someone drunk is by their actions (i.e. staggering, slurred speech, falling down).

Do I think they were flip flopping around? Probably not. But there is no doubt in my mind that the crowd supposed they were drunk. And just speaking in a native language in a city that had upwards of a million folks present would not even touch the suspicion radar. No, they thought they were drunk because there was an action taking place in the newly filled believers that caused them to believe they were drunk.

Guess that is my point. I have no reason to think they were "flipping out".

I AM NOT saying they were not demonstrative - I am sure they were praying out loud and actively praising and worshipping God.