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View Poll Results: Do you believe in the old time "shouting"??
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YES, BRING IT ON!!!!
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NO, ITS OUT OF ORDER!!!!
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I AM NOT SURE.
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07-20-2008, 03:27 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Would you mind describing the word shout for me? I realize one version of shouting is in the scriptures... VOCAL PRAISE.... but I'm still lookng for that other one... and I'm looking really hard in the NT for it.... but if you wish to reach to the OT for your scriptural references.. go ahead and grab a few more scriptures.. maybe where its a sin to eat pork... or a few others.. so lets bring this closer to home.. in our GUIDE for church doctrine and order.. the NT... can you show any instances of church services with out of control conditions? I CAN - the Corinthian church.. and it angered Paul so much they way.. each one wanted to be seen and everyone was speaking in tongues and the place was wild.. he REBUKED THEM
Wonder what he would do at your church tonight?
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I just figured out what your problem is. You were in a bar one night and just thought you were in a pentecostal service!
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07-20-2008, 03:28 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Lol, I'm more interested in finding out when you DO use the OT for precedence, and when you DON'T.
I"m confused.
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The problem Michael, in debate the OT can be used as the double hoof or more commonly the double wittness... you cannot use it alone for doctrine... for example if there is an OT shadow that is completed in NT it can be referenced...
your example of fit throwing in church has NO NT foundation at all.. for you to reach now to the OT without a double wittness.. is not exegesis but isogesis
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07-20-2008, 03:28 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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I just figured out what your problem is. You were in a bar one night and just thought you were in a pentecostal service!
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No, no, no! They weren't drunk or acting drunk, or something! I DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYMORE!!!!! 
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07-20-2008, 04:02 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Your joking right... when eludes to a scripture.. he is GIVING SCRIPTURE
Pauls in teaching an out of control church,, explains to them that its time to calm down.., its time to get in order.... lets a visitor would think they had lost their minds,, they way they were acting
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The problem is you aren't actually giving scripture that specifically addresses shouting. This is what I'm waiting on, not your opinion about what you think Paul is saying. Did Paul actually address shouting? No he didn't. You keep adressing how Paul was talking about order, this isn't the same doc. Paul did not address the moving of God's Spirit because you cannot govern how God moves.
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07-20-2008, 04:07 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
The problem Michael, in debate the OT can be used as the double hoof or more commonly the double wittness... you cannot use it alone for doctrine... for example if there is an OT shadow that is completed in NT it can be referenced...
your example of fit throwing in church has NO NT foundation at all.. for you to reach now to the OT without a double wittness.. is not exegesis but isogesis
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Ah, but my friend, you keep using the term "fit throwing". I am using the terms "Shouting, dancing, clapping of hands".
All have NT basis.
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07-20-2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Ah, but my friend, you keep using the term "fit throwing". I am using the terms "Shouting, dancing, clapping of hands".
All have NT basis.
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and that basis is found where?
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07-20-2008, 04:17 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
and that basis is found where?
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Groan........I"m done with this conversation.
Get a Strong's.
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07-20-2008, 04:19 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Groan........I"m done with this conversation.
Get a Strong's.
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Michael,, how can you be done?
You asked me to answer a simple question about my degree....
So what is your answer to the question.. Where in the NT do you have scriptural support for SHOUTING IN CHURCH... HUMPJUMPING.. BUCKSNORTING and ROLLING IN THE FLOOR?
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07-20-2008, 04:21 PM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Michael,, how can you be done?
You asked me to answer a simple question about my degree....
So what is your answer to the question.. Where in the NT do you have scriptural support for SHOUTING IN CHURCH... HUMPJUMPING.. BUCKSNORTING and ROLLING IN THE FLOOR?
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DV, those are your words, not mine.
I refuse to even discuss this with you any further, because you constantly misquote me, and tend toward your fatalistic viewpoint.
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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07-20-2008, 04:22 PM
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Re: Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
Michael,, how can you be done?
You asked me to answer a simple question about my degree....
So what is your answer to the question.. Where in the NT do you have scriptural support for SHOUTING IN CHURCH... HUMPJUMPING.. BUCKSNORTING and ROLLING IN THE FLOOR?
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You seem to be avoiding the Herodia thread. WHY?
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