Tradition: Reflective of the Pentecostal Mindset?

[Sam]

We need to be careful lest Jesus say the same thing about us and our "traditions"

6 He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

[Pragmatist]

Nothing wrong with traditions, just call them what they are instead of stretching scripture to make them Biblical mandates.

[RandyWayne]

I have no problems with traditions either. They help to strengthen family bonds especially as they relate to holidays and other things. Even churches can have traditions which accomplish the same thing. Tradition is not a bad word!
But.... at some point tradition becomes doctrine, and it becomes very very bad. People also tend to take a tradition that is over 40-50 years and give it as much weight as something "that has always been". This is the problem with those who associate apostolic doctrine which began in the mid 20th century and put the full weight of biblical doctrine behind it.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I have no problems with traditions either. They help to strengthen family bonds especially as they relate to holidays and other things. Even churches can have traditions which accomplish the same thing. Tradition is not a bad word!
But.... at some point tradition becomes doctrine, and it becomes very very bad. People also tend to take a tradition that is over 40-50 years and give it as much weight as something "that has always been". This is the problem with those who associate apostolic doctrine which began in the mid 20th century and put the full weight of biblical doctrine behind it.

There is a saying that, "The older I get, the better I used to be." People can say the exact same thing about tradition and culture and religion. Granpappy did it as a matter of necessity, or because it was the style of the day, or for whatever reason and as time passes the truth gets muddled because someone believes that a convenience and opinion of old is today a revelation of truth because it must have been because they can't remember the origin of it.

[RandyWayne]

"Come off it, Mr Dent,", he said, "you can't win you know. You
can't lie in front of the bulldozer indefinitely." He tried to
make his eyes blaze fiercely but they just wouldn't do it.

Arthur lay in the mud and squelched at him.

"I'm game," he said, "we'll see who rusts first."

"I'm afraid you're going to have to accept it," said Mr Prosser
gripping his fur hat and rolling it round the top of his head,
"this bypass has got to be built and it's going to be built!"

"First I've heard of it," said Arthur, "why's it going to be
built?"

Mr Prosser shook his finger at him for a bit, then stopped and
put it away again.

"What do you mean, why's it got to be built?" he said. "It's a
bypass. You've got to build bypasses."

-small excerpt from chapter 1 of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy


Such is the logic found in most older traditions.

Douglas Adams really was onto something!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

"Come off it, Mr Dent,", he said, "you can't win you know. You
can't lie in front of the bulldozer indefinitely." He tried to
make his eyes blaze fiercely but they just wouldn't do it.

Arthur lay in the mud and squelched at him.

"I'm game," he said, "we'll see who rusts first."

"I'm afraid you're going to have to accept it," said Mr Prosser
gripping his fur hat and rolling it round the top of his head,
"this bypass has got to be built and it's going to be built!"

"First I've heard of it," said Arthur, "why's it going to be
built?"

Mr Prosser shook his finger at him for a bit, then stopped and
put it away again.

"What do you mean, why's it got to be built?" he said. "It's a
bypass. You've got to build bypasses."

-small excerpt from chapter 1 of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy


Such is the logic found in most older traditions.

Douglas Adams really was onto something!

Blast, I though this was going to be that wonderful account of Bucky Dent hitting that home run to beat the Red Sox for the Pennant!

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Blast, I though this was going to be that wonderful account of Bucky Dent hitting that home run to beat the Red Sox for the Pennant!

Uh ... it was a tiebreaker for the AL East Championship.

[A_PoMo]

hehe.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?

I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by theoldpaths

2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Can you name the 'traditions' Paul was referring to?

I'm sure he meant traditions that have been in effect since before 1945.

Maybe we could look at what the verse actually says...naaa it would be better if we could make up rules and then call them traditions.