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Old 07-28-2008, 01:39 AM
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Dan to Baresheba

Why when preachers reflect on women's clothing that is immodest do they use biblical phrases such as "Dan to Baresheba." Is it because of the implied distance or to sound spiritual?

I once heard Charles Mahaney preach against women in those "Lo and Behold" blouses and women who dye their hair so much they have dandruff in Technicolor.

Of course when using biblical phrases we must be careful to keep everything in proper context lest we become like the preacher who boldly proclaimed that, "Sampson killed 1,000 Philistines with the jawbone of a donkeys ass."
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Old 07-28-2008, 07:16 AM
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Re: Dan to Baresheba

I did hear a fellow say once, " I ripped my pants from Dan to Baresheba"

Never was quite surer of the context of his meaning.
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I personally do not care to listen to preachers tha say degrading things and I believe in outward holiness...After over 40 years of experience I can truthfully say most of the preachers I have known that all they talked about was D to B. had other serious problems and by saying that I am not putting down preachers. I am making a general statement...that is USUALLY true...not always.
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:24 AM
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I personally do not care to listen to preachers tha say degrading things and I believe in outward holiness...After over 40 years of experience I can truthfully say most of the preachers I have known that all they talked about was D to B. had other serious problems and by saying that I am not putting down preachers. I am making a general statement...that is USUALLY true...not always.
I recall a holiness preacher several years ago. He lambasted the women of our church about not wearing hose.

The next week the police arrested him at a motel, in the company of a "young man".

So according to some of the slippery slope logic I've seen posted here over the years, you might say that this mans "holiness preaching" lead him to homosexuality.

The "Cons" have stated that letting up on holiness preaching leads one down this slippery slope to immorality.

Guess it works both ways, eh?
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Old 07-28-2008, 09:40 AM
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Why when preachers reflect on women's clothing that is immodest do they use biblical phrases such as "Dan to Baresheba." Is it because of the implied distance or to sound spiritual?

I once heard Charles Mahaney preach against women in those "Lo and Behold" blouses and women who dye their hair so much they have dandruff in Technicolor.

Of course when using biblical phrases we must be careful to keep everything in proper context lest we become like the preacher who boldly proclaimed that, "Sampson killed 1,000 Philistines with the jawbone of a donkeys ass."
Although I'm not always a fan of these types of remarks in sermons, sometimes they are humerous... like the "Lo and Behold" blouses.. that cracked me up.

Where it might offend someone new in the audience, I would refrain from saying it in a sermon.
But that's just me. I don't want to offend anyone and turn them off before the Lord can get ahold of them.
And I'd probably be too sensitive to that, and not want to preach hard when preaching hard was needed... that's why God didn't call me to preach.

That said, I have so many faults of my own to deal with, I can't pick apart a preacher who says something I wouldn't have said myself.
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I recall a holiness preacher several years ago. He lambasted the women of our church about not wearing hose.

The next week the police arrested him at a motel, in the company of a "young man".

So according to some of the slippery slope logic I've seen posted here over the years, you might say that this mans "holiness preaching" lead him to homosexuality.

The "Cons" have stated that letting up on holiness preaching leads one down this slippery slope to immorality.

Guess it works both ways, eh?
It usually works like that...sad but true...One of those preached one time for us about wearing hose...I told him I would not translated such foolish stuff...besides our people donīt have bread money let alone money for hose.

If ladies want to wear hose ( I usually do) but hose has nothing to do with holiness...
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Of course when using biblical phrases we must be careful to keep everything in proper context
Hmmmm.....a novel idea but I doubt it will catch on.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Hmmmm.....a novel idea but I doubt it will catch on.
Too time consuming to have to actually research things and look up meanings.......
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I recall a holiness preacher several years ago. He lambasted the women of our church about not wearing hose.

The next week the police arrested him at a motel, in the company of a "young man".

So according to some of the slippery slope logic I've seen posted here over the years, you might say that this mans "holiness preaching" lead him to homosexuality.
The "Cons" have stated that letting up on holiness preaching leads one down this slippery slope to immorality.

Guess it works both ways, eh?
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It usually works like that...sad but true...One of those preached one time for us about wearing hose...I told him I would not translated such foolish stuff...besides our people donīt have bread money let alone money for hose.

If ladies want to wear hose ( I usually do) but hose has nothing to do with holiness...
That would be called a "hosiness standard"!
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