Interesting. To make it seem more UPC in the middle where it says God replace that with Jesus....more people might agree with that. lol
You are of course right and that is sad - because then the diagram would be wrong and I could not agree with it.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
You are of course right and that is sad - because then the diagram would be wrong and I could not agree with it.
It is true many Oneness folks are correctly called Jesus Only. It's bad theology but it’s what many of us have been taught. I remember a pastor explaining Jesus as the Father animating a human body. Oh how wrong that is.
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I believe the Father is the one omnipresent Holy Spirit of God, so I'd probably have to draw a line thru the "is not" between them.
Where exactly could we fit the name "Jesus" in amongst it all? And how many times?
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I believe the Father is the one omnipresent Holy Spirit of God, so I'd probably have to draw a line thru the "is not" between them.
Where exactly could we fit the name "Jesus" in amongst it all? And how many times?
Of course no one is saying that there are two Spirits, but look at it this way... are there not things that can be said about the one that cannot be said about the other? (meaning Father and Holy Spirit)
Even by definition "Our Father which art in Heaven" is a parental term, while the Holy Spirit, "he maketh intercession for the saints according the to will of God." See Romans 8:27
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Where exactly could we fit the name "Jesus" in amongst it all? And how many times?
The name would go in the circle of "The Son" who is God and man - the only way for us to approach God - the Door. It is also noteworthy, that when one says, "Jesus" (Yeshua - The Lord Adonia saves!) it encompasses the word "God".
This diagram only works in exploring the Biblical revelation of the Godhead, and the relationship between the Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
It falls short on showing the uniquness of the incarnation and how we as humans relate to God our Father, through Christ, by the Holy Spirit.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Does this fit into your theological construct of God?
No.
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God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
The diagram makes six statements. Which ones do you disagree with?
1. The Father is not The Son
2. The Father is not The Holy Spirit
3. The Holy Spirit is not The Son
4. The Father is God
5. God is The Son
6. God is The Holy Spirit
I'm going to get all mathematical on you again, but I have to point out that "God is The Son" is equivalent to "The Son is God", if "is" is commutative. And again, this is true if "God" is a name or proper noun, not an adjective (getting all grammatical again!). I used the orderings I did because that's how the diagram shows them.
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And again, this is true if "God" is a name or proper noun, not an adjective (getting all grammatical again!). I used the orderings I did because that's how the diagram shows them.
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