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Re: My Signature Diagram
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But are they distinct from?
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There certainly are things that can be said about each that cannot be said about the others (no matter how you define "others" and "each") hence, yes, there are distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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I am not sure. This is where I have a problem with oneness theology that I have been taught all my life. Scripture makes the distinction all throughout the bible. The language of the Father, Holy Spirit, and Son are all there and in plain sight so I am not making the distinction. The Bible does.
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Absolutely.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2008, 08:55 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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DG, I am totally OK with IS NOT. While being the same God, the Father is not the Son...
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I have no problem with saying that they are not the same. Wow, how do I say this, but at the same time they are one. Sounds very trinitarian to me the way I speak. I guess I have been hanging around a lot of trinitarians lately.
But the phrase "Is Not" just seems to be using finite words to discribe an infinite God. That is where I have the problem not with the distinction.
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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Sorry Timmy I would have to do a word study on that one! 
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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DG, I am totally OK with IS NOT. While being the same God, the Father is not the Son...
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
I am not sure. This is where I have a problem with oneness theology that I have been taught all my life. Scripture makes the distinction all throughout the bible. The language of the Father, Holy Spirit, and Son are all there and in plain sight so I am not making the distinction. The Bible does.
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There certainly are things that can be said about each that cannot be said about the others (no matter how you define "others" and "each") hence, yes, there are distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Agreed!
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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I have no problem with saying that they are not the same. Wow, how do I say this, but at the same time they are one. Sounds very trinitarian to me the way I speak. I guess I have been hanging around a lot of trinitarians lately.
But the phrase "Is Not" just seems to be using finite words to discribe an infinite God. That is where I have the problem not with the distinction.
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I do think I understand what you are saying. And I am not asking if the diagram is how you would prefer to describe God, but rather if it holds true to scripture and your understanding of who God is.
The "is not" is there for good reason.
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Re: My Signature Diagram
I have been reading the book, "The Shack" and it has a very beautiful description of the Godhead from a human point of view. I have had trinitarians tell me it was a wonderful explanation of the trinity. However, when I read it I think that it describes my oneness beliefs. Ha ha.
I highly recommend this book.
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07-30-2008, 09:01 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
In one of these discussions before someone said "Jesus is the Father" - - - I cannot say that.
God is the Father and Jesus is God, but Jesus is not the Father.
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07-30-2008, 09:02 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
The diagram can describe Oneness and Trinitarianism.
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07-30-2008, 09:05 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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The diagram can describe Oneness and Trinitarianism.
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Just like Delta's book he's reading......it's all in the interpretation.
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