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Old 08-01-2008, 11:21 AM
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Air Cars?

AMAZING AIR CAR FROM INDIA

This is the same company which a few months back-invented a car that costs only $2500 new. BUT it's not available in the USA . Why is it that a gasless vehicle that eliminates the reason to buy oil from foreign countries hasn't even been noticed by US manufacturers? How bad can this be for anybody, anywhere in the world -- except, perhaps, for the oil tycoons?



AMAZING AIR CAR!




The Compressed Air Car, developed by Motor Development International (MDI) Founder Guy Negre, might be the best thing to happen to the motor engine, and people all over the world.

The $12,700 CityCAT, one of the planned Air Car models, reaches 68 mph, goes for a range of 125 miles. It will take only a few minutes for the CityCAT to refuel at gas stations equipped with custom air compressor units. MDI says it should cost only around $2 to fill the car up with 340 liters of air!

The Air Car will be starting production soon, thanks to India 's TATA Motors.

Forget corn! Corn-based ethanol is a joke......

Here's a user friendly, pocketbook friendly fuel! What can be better than air?

6-seater taxi should be available in India in 2008:

I resent it, but can see why jobs are going to India and why we are importing

people from India to do jobs that Americans CAN'T or WON'T!

But I can't see why we have the most unfriendly energy congress in

U.S. history, or why they waste time fussing and fighting while we suffer.............


I received this email complete with pictures and thought that it had to be a joke. However I have been looking into it and it appears that there may be something to this. I wonder if our government will try to kill this due to big oil pressure.
I read about cars capable of 90 mph and distances of 800 to 1,000 miles per fill-up.
My first thought is that finally the future is here. I grew up reading about all the technology we would have by the year 2000, but it seems big-oil has been successful in holding us up in a pre-War World technology when it comes to transportation since it is an economical boon for them.
What do you think?
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:25 AM
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TATA just bought Jaguar and Land Rover from Ford.

That $2500 car is a piece of junk no American would be caught dead in. Oh wait, you probably would be caught dead in it on our highways!

The expectations of quality and features in the developing world is quite different from Western countries. There is a reason that car only cost $2500.

The air car is intersting but we will just have to see. I am guessing it is a tiny tin bucket with no safety features or room. I will do some research on it. I am a car buff. I subscribe to Motor Trend, Car & Drive, Road & Track, and Automobile magazine.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:28 AM
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Here is a link to a Popular Mechanics article this past February about the air car;

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4251491.html
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:39 AM
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I posted about the Air Car some time ago. Rico and I had a nice conversation about it.

Tata motors is looking at having the 6 person van for sale in the USA in 2009 for $15,900.

That car will have an 8 gallon gas tank that will be used to power a compressor. the range would be over 1,000 miles.

There hasnt been a massive conspiracy by oil companies to get these types of technologies to market. that is simply nonsense. The fact is these new technologies are very difficult and have only recently become viable.

The Air motor is difficult because compressed air cools as it moves thru the engine, as it cools, it looses density thus reducing its compression power. Only recently did Tata work out details in sustaining compression and temp. thus making the motor viable as a power plant.

Additionally the composit material needed to create a high pressure air tank had to be invented before you could safely have a vehicle that would essentially sit on top of a high pressure bomb!

beyond all of that technology is every expensive to get to. R&D isnt cheep. bottom line with so many of these things is, they arent economically viable when gas is below $3.00 per gallon. only now that gas has risen so high, are these other technologies becoming viable.

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Re: Air Cars?

Thanks for the link.

A big question is this: Honda just released a Civic which runs on compressed natural gas. The tank takes up half of the trunk and is compressed to 3500 PSI's. The range is about 220 miles per tank. Now how can a tank of JUST AIR get better then a large tank of highly compressed gas which is both under compress AND highly flammable in its own right?

http://autos.yahoo.com/honda_civic_g..._availability/ <---Civic GX Natural Gas car
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:56 AM
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RandyWayneBobJeffHenry,

I agree that I am very leery about the viability of this technology. I hope it works as advertised but I will be surprised.

Of course how many Americans will be happy with a 75 horsepower car is an unknown! I would imagine city folks just commuting would be fine but that seems pretty weak for interstate travel.

Ferd,

The Popular Mechanics article from February does not list Tata as the company wanting to make these in the USA. It coud be a subsidiary though.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Old 08-01-2008, 11:59 AM
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Thanks for the link.

A big question is this: Honda just released a Civic which runs on compressed natural gas. The tank takes up half of the trunk and is compressed to 3500 PSI's. The range is about 220 miles per tank. Now how can a tank of JUST AIR get better then a large tank of highly compressed gas which is both under compress AND highly flammable in its own right?

http://autos.yahoo.com/honda_civic_g..._availability/ <---Civic GX Natural Gas car
how? physics. gas generates power by combution, not compression.

the power plants of these 2 vehicles are vastly different.

On another note, MIT just released this week, they are getting very close to being able to use solor power to generate hydrogen gas from water via electorlisis at a VERY cheep rate.

that would be very cool.
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RandyWayneBobJeffHenry,

I agree that I am very leery about the viability of this technology. I hope it works as advertised but I will be surprised.

Of course how many Americans will be happy with a 75 horsepower car is an unknown! I would imagine city folks just commuting would be fine but that seems pretty weak for interstate travel.

Ferd,

The Popular Mechanics article from February does not list Tata as the company wanting to make these in the USA. It coud be a subsidiary though.

I read it wrong. Zero Pollution Moters
http://zeropollutionmotors.us/

is producing the car for America. by the way I saw Guy Negere (the inventor) on CNN with Glenn Beck a month or two ago. He is really serious about entry into the American market.
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Re: Air Cars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_vehicle

I had read this article on Wikipedia that discussed some of the potential advantages and disadvantages. There does seem to be some potential and promise.
I may just be a conspiracy theorist or overly cynical of big business, but I just find it hard to believe that we can make the unbelievable strides in every other area of our lives and technology that we have in the last 100 years...except this one.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_vehicle

I had read this article on Wikipedia that discussed some of the potential advantages and disadvantages. There does seem to be some potential and promise.
I may just be a conspiracy theorist or overly cynical of big business, but I just find it hard to believe that we can make the unbelievable strides in every other area of our lives and technology that we have in the last 100 years...except this one.
We have made incredible strides.

We now have V8 engines that get 25 mpg like my wifes Lincoln Town Car when thirty years ago that same size engine / car got about 8-9 mpg.

That is about 3 times the gas mileage of thirty years ago with much more reliability, comfort, ease of maintenance, etc.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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