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08-02-2008, 08:04 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf
For almost four hundred years the King James Version of the Holy Bible has been God's Word in the English speaking world, and in most Oneness Pentecostal churches, it continues to be the Word of God. Why would it be any surprise that people in conveying God's word would use the language in which they have received God's word for their whole life?
It may be in vogue in the "relevant" churches to use a Bible that makes God sound like He smoked too much Mary Jane in His early years, but when the King James Bible falls into complete disuse, we will be the less for our dumbing down of God's Word.
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Yay I say thou hast missed the mark somewhat in thy posting. While I agree that the KJV has a historical importance to the church it is entirely appropriate for the church today to useth a translation that utilizes modern English.
Many words in the KJV are obscure today or have meanings that have changed over hundreds of years.
I do agreeist with thee that people giveth tongues and interpretation in olde English because they perceive that to be the way God speaks. I do not see that as a good thing but as a little bit of ignorance.
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-02-2008, 08:08 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by Sam
I made this a separate post because the other one was getting long.
Two incidents:
Several years ago there was a message in tongues at a UPC where I was a member. A woman, who was not very intelligent, gave the interpretation. She actually used words that you would not expect to hear from her and alluded to some things that were going on that she would not have ordinarily known about. The pastor confirmed what she said and that this was from God because she spoke of things that were beyond her knowledge. Well, after that, if there was a message, even if she was back in the nursery, she would run out to give an interpretation and it just wasn't the same as that one time. She became repetitious and fell into the rut of saying the regular old stuff that we hear over and over. Were these genuine gifts? I would say yes. She knew that she had been used by God and she was saying what was on her heart to build up, stir up, and cheer up or lift up the saints.
Another story I heard when I was a teenager in a UPC in Wisconsin. Sis. Geneva Bailey was a missionary in Africa associated with Sis. Gruse. That was before the airplane was available and she had to walk quite a distance even fording some rivers. She had rubbed a blister on her foot, it had broken, and she had blood poisoning. She felt like she could go no farther. She sat down and asked God to place her on some body's heart to pray for her because she just couldn't pray for herself any more. At that same time (this was confirmed later by checking dates and taking into account the time difference) there was a message in tongues and interpretation in Texas that Sis. Bailey was dying from poisoning. The folks in Texas interceded until they felt like God had heard and answered. They had heard of the poisoning but they didn't realize it was blood poison. They thought someone had poisoned her. It's been many years since I heard Sis. Bailey tell this story and I may not have it 100 percent accurate.
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08-02-2008, 08:09 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
There arst some people who no longer posteth on this forum who pride themselves in their ability to understandeth the KJV and looketh downeth on people who do not see the necessity to learnith a 400 year old dialect ofeth a language that Jesus never even KNEW to geteth closer to himeth.
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08-02-2008, 08:10 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by CC1
Yay I say thou hast missed the mark somewhat in thy posting. While I agree that the KJV has a historical importance to the church it is entirely appropriate for the church today to useth a translation that utilizes modern English.
Many words in the KJV are obscure today or have meanings that have changed over hundreds of years.
I do agreeist with thee that people giveth tongues and interpretation in olde English because they perceive that to be the way God speaks. I do not see that as a good thing but as a little bit of ignorance.
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Bro. CC1,
I guarantee you that it isn't any worse than some of the folks from LA or TN giving interpretations in the way that folks from LA or TN really DO speak!  In fact it may be more accurate and easily understood in the KJ English!
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08-02-2008, 08:11 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by CC1
I do agreeist with thee that people giveth tongues and interpretation in olde English because they perceive that to be the way God speaks. I do not see that as a good thing but as a little bit of ignorance.
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Some of us were taught that tongues and interpretation were God speaking directly to His people... if it is filtered through the brain of someone to the point that their perceptions are evident in the language that they use to deliver the message, I would say that the message is tainted and most definitely not a DIRECT message from God... but more like a note scribbled on the refrigerator door and someone tells someone else over the phone what the note said...
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08-02-2008, 08:21 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by philjones
Bro. CC1,
I guarantee you that it isn't any worse than some of the folks from LA or TN giving interpretations in the way that folks from LA or TN really DO speak! In fact it may be more accurate and easily understood in the KJ English! |
LOL!!!! You make a very good point.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-02-2008, 08:29 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by Brad Murphy
Some of us were taught that tongues and interpretation were God speaking directly to His people... if it is filtered through the brain of someone to the point that their perceptions are evident in the language that they use to deliver the message, I would say that the message is tainted and most definitely not a DIRECT message from God... but more like a note scribbled on the refrigerator door and someone tells someone else over the phone what the note said...
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Because it is filtered through a human beings brain and emotions you are correct that it can be imperfect.
I do believe God uses T&T but I also believe that sometimes other things occur like;
1. A good intentioned person can want something to be so badly that they
give this as an interpretation to tongues thinking it is from God when it is
from their own mind. An example would be a false prophecy about someone
being healed who is not.
2 In the process of giving the interpretation a person's mind is subject to
their intellect, excitement, and other factors that can color the message
given. We have to keep in mind that it is the essence of the message
given that is important not any improper english used, etc as they are
the fault of the imperfect human vessel the message is coming through.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-02-2008, 08:40 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
I had a AoG mother daughter team, wanting to be rid of my oneness, Jesus name witnessing at Florida Christian coffee house they supervised.
The daughter gave the tongues, then Momma gave the interprtation that God was calling me to another area of service. That I should follow the leading of the Lord as he directed my paths away from their area of ministry. (paraphrased)
I found it quite humorous.
Tongues and Interpation? I think I may have heard the real thing o couple times in my 37 years around Pentecost.
But I have doubted it's validity on mmany occasions.
I gave an intrepation once. I pray I was in the Spirit.
I would seriously question any T and I that gave personal direction to any one individual.
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08-02-2008, 09:21 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
Once we had a guest preacher, and as I turned the pulpit over to him, a message in tongues went forth, and my brother, who was our youth leader at the time, gave the interpretation.
When he ceased, the preacger turned around and looked at me, his mouth agape...
He took his notes off the pulpit, and showed me the title.
The last words of the interpretation were exactly verbatim the same words as his title.
What a divine confirmation that his message was indeed the mind of God.
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"Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
--Amos 7:14-15
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08-02-2008, 09:39 AM
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Re: Tongues and Interpretation T&T
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Originally Posted by Amos
Once we had a guest preacher, and as I turned the pulpit over to him, a message in tongues went forth, and my brother, who was our youth leader at the time, gave the interpretation.
When he ceased, the preacher turned around and looked at me, his mouth agape...
He took his notes off the pulpit, and showed me the title.
The last words of the interpretation were exactly verbatim the same words as his title.
What a divine confirmation that his message was indeed the mind of God.
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Oh how I long for that true demonstration, Elder...
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