No Thanks, I Will Stay Old Time Pentecost

[Sarah]

I still believe what was preached on the day of Pentecost. I see no need to take away, or add to that. So I don't want to be post-Pentecostal. PTL!

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I still believe what was preached on the day of Pentecost. I see no need to take away, or add to that. So I don't want to be post-Pentecostal. PTL!

Praise the Lord Testimony time. You don't know like I know!!!!!!:shockam oo

[LUKE2447]

I read yoru posts but that is nothing close to what you said. Hinted maybe yes but nothing clear.

If she wants to think that what she looks like and the works she does is what saves her, thus leaving others who don't look like she does and do the works she does to be unsaved, THAT is what I have a problem with. It's unbiblical. The other above issues don't go against Bible.

I understand and agree in part. Works in themselves don't save but our response to God does which is works. Thus works reflect our response to the leading of the Spirit. Romans 8 Also everyone at some point draws lines on works that are essential to be saved unless you are OSAS in belief. Even then they have a start line that includes the finish. Does what she wears save her? Does me not committing fornication save me? Directly no. Indirectly yes, as sin leads to death. Does obediance save? Yes! So the matter of what context one puts to obediance matters. To him that believes it is sin it is sin. Should one go around bringing people down and cast everyone into hell? No! At the same time it doesn't mean it is not a heaven or hell issue either. All things done in love is what matters and seeking God for his leading into all truth. In this it sounds like you have taught her well.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I read yoru posts but that is nothing close to what you said. Hinted maybe yes but nothing clear.



I understand and agree in part. Works in themselves don't save but our response to God does which is works. Thus works reflect our response to the leading of the Spirit. Romans 8 Also everyone at some point draws lines on works that are essential to be saved unless you are OSAS in belief. Even then they have a start line that includes the finish. Does what she wears save her? Does me not committing fornication save me? Directly no. Indirectly yes, as sin leads to death. Does obediance save? Yes! So the matter of what context one puts to obediance matters. To him that believes it is sin it is sin. Should one go around bringing people down and cast everyone into hell? No! At the same time it doesn't mean it is not a heaven or hell issue either. All things done in love is what matters and seeking God for his leading into all truth. In this it sounds like you have taught her well.

I was raised in a 'don't do this, don't do that' environment and never allowed to question anything. If my pastor said it, it was gospel, and you could take it to the bank.

I never wanted my kids raised that way. Both of them read the Bible and study it. My daughter has read the Bible through more than once, and is now starting on a different version in an attempt to learn more. She also has confiscated my library of concordances, dictionaries, and other Biblical studies and has them in HER bookshelf! LOL!

I like that she loves to learn. I hope she is ever learning.

But I don't want her to develop an attitude that those who don't agree with her theology are wrong or have left God.

She's a good kid. I'm proud of her and my son as well. I don't think I've done a shabby job of raising them in light of the circumstances that have befallen them in the course of their short lives.

And thanks for your sentiments. It's appreciated.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I was raised in a 'don't do this, don't do that' environment and never allowed to question anything. If my pastor said it, it was gospel, and you could take it to the bank.

I never wanted my kids raised that way. Both of them read the Bible and study it. My daughter has read the Bible through more than once, and is now starting on a different version in an attempt to learn more. She also has confiscated my library of concordances, dictionaries, and other Biblical studies and has them in HER bookshelf! LOL!

I like that she loves to learn. I hope she is ever learning.

But I don't want her to develop an attitude that those who don't agree with her theology are wrong or have left God.

She's a good kid. I'm proud of her and my son as well. I don't think I've done a shabby job of raising them in light of the circumstances that have befallen them in the course of their short lives.

And thanks for your sentiments. It's appreciated.

Maybe the Lord is speaking to you through your daughter? This is not TIC. She could be a druggie or immoral. God is sending you a witness in your home follow it. This is NOT a jab but some sincere advice.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Maybe the Lord is speaking to you through your daughter? This is not TIC. She could be a druggie or immoral. God is sending you a witness in your home follow it. This is NOT a jab but some sincere advice.

Actually, I would say it's HO who is setting the good example by letting her daughter follow her convictions.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Maybe the Lord is speaking to you through your daughter? This is not TIC. She could be a druggie or immoral. God is sending you a witness in your home follow it. This is NOT a jab but some sincere advice.

I can agree, but the Lord also speaks to me personally. I have a relationship with God but I don't do the standards bit.

I am thankful she's not a druggie, immoral, or anything else many parents have to deal with these days. It's the hand of God in our lives.

[Tyk]

I'm sure Jesus, and likely many other leaders of the "REAL OLD TIME" ways, would have been future train wrecks with those beards of theirs.

"For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and
you say, 'He has a demon.' The Son of Man came eating and drinking,
and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax
collectors and "sinners." (Luke 7:33-34)

Sounds similar to me, anyone that doesn't fit your "view" or "standards"(not necessarily holiness standards) are wrong, not in truth, and headed for... Well you said it.

Do I think there are plenty of people that HAVE lost their way? Sure. Letting go of a standard, a path, a way is not something that should be done lightly. Much prayer, fasting, and studying must be done. The apostles doctrine is what we must seek. Whether it's what we have, or not. Just because "Bro. rev. Bishop President" said it doesn't mean it is correct. We must always keep watch, even as saints as to what we are being (or have been) taught and fed.

- Again

Ask the pharasies what a train wreck looks like... Guess who had the "old" ways then and there?

1And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
2And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
3And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
4And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

Sounds strangely familiar....

[LUKE2447]

Prax, I will get back with you later as I have to go into town!

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

A Pentecostal lady with uncut hair, no makeup and a dress stands out like the proverbial deer in the headlights at a non denominational charismatic meeting.

The clean shaven Pentecostal man without the jewerly is too old timey for the new improved Pentecostals.

So the first step to being accepted by and fellowshipping with trinitarian charismatics is the dropping of the standard.

Then it's just another step to "well they don't really believe in three Gods, after all it's really just semantics".

And then the use of the name of Jesus in water baptism is not as important as it used to be.

Thanks, but NO THANKS, I'll just stay over here and WATCH the train wreck.

I'm with you Elder, give me old time Pentecost, I'm not interested in being any thing else.