I'm just puzzled why the actions of a few end up as a blanket statement for the entire gender.
To me, it's no different than hearing a group of black people talking Ebonics and stating, 'see, that's why I don't think blacks should educate children in schools'.
There are lots of women who have preached, and lots of them who are admired as such, but I think it's unfair to take a picture of one and the mannerisms of a few others and blanket the entire gender as being like those few.
Like I said, for clarification for HO IF I were to go by that picture and SOME of the TV preachers I have seen I would be more sympathetic to their point of view.
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And you think women who emerged from the wilderness did? LOL!!
How many does the Bible describe as having come out of the wilderness with a Word from God for the world? None. Try all you want, H.O., but you are not going to get around the fact that many of these women preachers emulate men. If you want to play games with what is and isn't masculine behaviour knock yourself out.
How many does the Bible describe as having come out of the wilderness with a Word from God for the world? None. Try all you want, H.O., but you are not going to get around the fact that many of these women preachers emulate men. If you want to play games with what is and isn't masculine behaviour knock yourself out.
You still have yet to provide Biblical proof that preaching in a sweaty, stomping, foaming at the mouth way is a masculine attribute. That's the point here.
It's not masculine behavior. It's more of a preference. It's also a matter of culture.
Whether or not they are emulating men is subject to the viewer's opinion, I suppose. It's the same as people who believe that LS is feminine in his preaching ways. I don't see it that way, but many do. Are they right? Maybe, maybe not, but I doubt LS gets on the platform with the intention of acting feminine.
I feel the same way about women who might be aggressive in the pulpit. I doubt they get up there with the intention of acting masculine.
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You still have yet to provide Biblical proof that preaching in a sweaty, stomping, foaming at the mouth way is a masculine attribute. That's the point here.
It's not masculine behavior. It's more of a preference. It's also a matter of culture.
Whether or not they are emulating men is subject to the viewer's opinion, I suppose. It's the same as people who believe that LS is feminine in his preaching ways. I don't see it that way, but many do. Are they right? Maybe, maybe not, but I doubt LS gets on the platform with the intention of acting feminine.
I feel the same way about women who might be aggressive in the pulpit. I doubt they get up there with the intention of acting masculine.
If you can't tell the difference between masculine and feminine behaviour, there's nothing anyone can say to convince you that many of these women get in pulpits and emulate men. There are very basic differences in posture, mannerism, and presentation between men and women. I can tell you Biblical preachers such as Paul, John, and Jesus displayed masculine behaviour because they were men, not women or sissified men. If you think there is going to be a scripture that says, "Paul was preaching in a very masculine manner", then you're either blind or being willfully ignorant of the differences between men and women. Either way, I am not going to continue in this vein because it's pointless to try to convince you of anything you aren't willing to believe.
I skipped a few pages, but if this has already been covered, oh well!!
While I agree that there have been more pharisaic actions in the apostolic movement than there need be, you can't forget about the truth that is forever settled in the Word of God. You say you can't find the scriptures to back it up, but all you have to do is actually read the bible & you'll have no trouble finding the basis of what so many of us stand for...or have stood for & have decided that it was no longer important.
I have seen far too often people being hurt & wounded, like the woman caught in adultery, cast down by those holier than thou nay sayers that only are there to make themselves feel closer to God by making you feel that you are nothing more than a no good sinner. That mentality is wrong...always has been & always will be. That is not Christ like & those people are just as bad as the sinner.
However, you cannot let bad experiences overrule the unwavering truth. While I do not agree with some super strict standards that have honestly come from man, not God, You cannot tell me that the fundamental apostolic doctrine & standards are unnecessary. You cannot take out sections of the bible & act like they are not there...just like you cannot ADD to it as some would like. The truths that the apostals preached are the same that we have to live by today, like it or not.
Even if I weren't 100% sure of the standards that I will never back down on (oneness doctrine, holiness standards such as no pants on woman & long hair) I would still rather do it & be content with the life I live rather than being sorry that I didn't after I go into eternity.
Everyone has to judge for themselves, that's what happen when we were given the right to choose. Only one day we'll know if it were truly necessary. For now, I'm thankful that I have been able to search out the truth for myself & stand firm in the knowledge that I have found a deep relationship with God that causes me to WANT to be different from the world. While I may not be ultra conservative or maybe even conservative in the eyes of some, I know that I am living a bible based life & I have always been so "proud" (for lack of a better term) when people know that my husband is a minister & that I am a Christian. You can't tell with some of the bad attitudes that some pentecostals have, but those who are truly living a Christ like life have no trouble of sharing their testimony without speaking a word.
My philosophy is love them to Jesus & let him do the rest.
I know people like to argue about these verses & there have been so many "thoughts" on it & I know that there are countless others that back up truth.
13Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
1 Timothy 2:8-10 (King James Version)
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8I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1 Peter 3:1-5 (King James Version)
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1 Peter 3
1Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
5For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
Deuteronomy 22:5 (King James Version)
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5The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
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