Mystery Solved: George L. Glass Sr. - Page 7

Pastor G · #61 08-28-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Maybe we can at least agree on this:

Since GLGSr was a PCI leader before the merger, he had no problem fellowshipping with one steppers!

That depends on your idea of what fellowship is... If it is: get along, eat together, be friends ect... He did...

If your idea of fellowship is: agree with... He didn't after the merger...

PM, you can't treat this as your opinion verses my opinion and lets find some middle ground... It is your opinion verses my facts and truth... You should back off from your opinion and admit you are wrong...

mizpeh · #62 08-28-2008, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

That depends on your idea of what fellowship is... If it is: get along, eat together, be friends ect... He did...

If your idea of fellowship is: agree with... He didn't after the merger...

PM, you can't treat this as your opinion verses my opinion and lets find some middle ground... It is your opinion verses my facts and truth... You should back off from your opinion and admit you are wrong...

Pastor G, was Bro Glass a "one stepper" while a member of the PCI and then after joining the UPC became convinced of the "three step" description of salvation?

Baron1710 · #63 08-28-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

That depends on your idea of what fellowship is... If it is: get along, eat together, be friends ect... He did...

If your idea of fellowship is: agree with... He didn't after the merger...

PM, you can't treat this as your opinion verses my opinion and lets find some middle ground... It is your opinion verses my facts and truth... You should back off from your opinion and admit you are wrong...

You been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" in your devotional time?

Amos · #64 08-28-2008, 07:48 AM

The so-called "One-Steppers" that were a part of the merger were a different breed than the ones claiming the title today.

They had come out of denominations into Pentecost and preached Acts 2:38 with fervor to the point that their preaching and emphasis was difficult to tell apart from the PAJC men.

The ones claiming that distinction today are in many cases moving away from the distinctives of Pentecost and seem to be embarassed by their heritage.

They go to the pulpit looking for excuses not to preach the Acts experience and justify the Baptists and other easy believism folks.

Big difference.

Baron1710 · #65 08-28-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Amos

The so-called "One-Steppers" that were a part of the merger were a different breed than the ones claiming the title today.

They had come out of denominations into Pentecost and preached Acts 2:38 with fervor to the point that their preaching and emphasis was difficult to tell apart from the PAJC men.

The ones claiming that distinction today are in many cases moving away from the distinctives of Pentecost and seem to be embarassed by their heritage.

They go to the pulpit looking for excuses not to preach the Acts experience and justify the Baptists and other easy believism folks.

Big difference.

That's why C.H. Yadon left the UPC, because he was different than the PCI men who merged with the PAJC...oh no wait he was one of those that merged it was the 3 steppers who forced him out nearly 50 years after the fact.

mizpeh · #66 08-28-2008, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

That's why C.H. Yadon left the UPC, because he was different than the PCI men who merged with the PAJC...oh no wait he was one of those that merged it was the 3 steppers who forced him out nearly 50 years after the fact.

I don't see where Amos is belittling the PCI men who merged with the PAJC.

Did Yadon start preaching saved at repentance and that the baptism of the Holy Ghost and baptism in Jesus name was not necessary like some folks here do? http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=158

Sherri · #67 08-28-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

That depends on your idea of what fellowship is... If it is: get along, eat together, be friends ect... He did...

If your idea of fellowship is: agree with... He didn't after the merger...

PM, you can't treat this as your opinion verses my opinion and lets find some middle ground... It is your opinion verses my facts and truth... You should back off from your opinion and admit you are wrong...

I know Pianoman personally and he would mean no disrespect to Bro. Glass. It's just been a debate on these forums before whether or not he believed that you had to speak in tongues to go to heaven. It's been discussed about many men of God, not just Bro. Glass.

Anyway, I understand Pianoman's point. By admitting that you wouldn't say someone is going to hell without the Holy Ghost, you are essentially saying that you might not be a true three stepper. True three steppers are men like Bro. Epley that will tell you in a New York minute that YES you will split hell wide open without the Holy Ghost! I don't agree with him, but I respect his stance. Anyone who won't take that stance is saying that you MIGHT make it there without all three steps. I think that's all PMan was trying to get across.

Plus Bro. Glass pastored in Bemis and it definitely was NOT a three step church - never has been. I don't know about the other places he pastored, but this one location would be enough for most people to think that he agreed with that viewpoint. So please ease up on Pianoman a little; he wasn't trying to be disrespectful. He's one of the good guys!

ManOfWord · #68 08-28-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I don't see where Amos is belittling the PCI men who merged with the PAJC.

Did Yadon start preaching saved at repentance and that the baptism of the Holy Ghost and baptism in Jesus name was not necessary like some folks here do? http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=158

Yadon always preached the same thing. That is why he left. He was forced out like so many others. He WAS of the breed of PCI men who joined originally. He was tolerant and didn't try to make waves with those who thought different than him.

Who says Ac. 2:38 is not necessary?

I have NEVER said that, not even in your quote above.

StillStanding · #69 08-28-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

I know Pianoman personally and he would mean no disrespect to Bro. Glass. It's just been a debate on these forums before whether or not he believed that you had to speak in tongues to go to heaven. It's been discussed about many men of God, not just Bro. Glass.

Anyway, I understand Pianoman's point. By admitting that you wouldn't say someone is going to hell without the Holy Ghost, you are essentially saying that you might not be a true three stepper. True three steppers are men like Bro. Epley that will tell you in a New York minute that YES you will split hell wide open without the Holy Ghost! I don't agree with him, but I respect his stance. Anyone who won't take that stance is saying that you MIGHT make it there without all three steps. I think that's all PMan was trying to get across.

Plus Bro. Glass pastored in Bemis and it definitely was NOT a three step church - never has been. I don't know about the other places he pastored, but this one location would be enough for most people to think that he agreed with that viewpoint. So please ease up on Pianoman a little; he wasn't trying to be disrespectful. He's one of the good guys!

Thanks Sherri! You said what I wanted to say, but only better!

I do agree with Amos about the early pioneers from the PCI. I believe you would have to corner them to tell the difference, because they preached the Acts 2:38 message very strongly!

Actually, that's how I am today! I'm not happy at how my own church seems to downplay the importance of Holy Ghost Baptism.

Why would Papa Glass be involved in leadership with a group of men (PCI) he was very opposed to? Was the PAJC very strong in his area? If so, why didn't he join men of like belief?

Pastor G, please understand that I have no emotional dog in this fight. I'm just asking questions out of interest. Until I read Fudge's book, I had no idea what was going on right under my nose!

Jack Shephard · #70 08-28-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pastor G

PM... I understand that George Jr. didn't tell you that... He has mentioned the statement you said he said to others as well.... But your assumption that what he said meant George Sr. was a 1 stepper, was wrong...

And I will go farther and say that to even attempt to insinuate that he was a 1 stepper when He gave his life to the UPC, believed and preached 3 steps is very wrong of you... To try to throw into question his 3 step beliefs 18 years after his death, citing his son as a source, and then surmizing something like that is deplorable... It is suggesting that he was a hypocrite, believing one thing deep down and yet teaching and preaching another... George Glass Sr. was a tremendous man of integrity and IMO you have tried to bring that down a notch while he is in the grave...

You say Mystery Solved like you have really come up with some truth... But, sir, I believe you have spoken out of turn... There is no Mystery. George Glass Sr. was a 3 stepper... This I do not assume... This I know...

As I stated before... Papa George never put anyone in hell, regardless of their beliefs... Neither do I or most of the preachers I know... For we do not have that right... God is judge... But to say, because he stopped short of saying you will go to hell without the Holy Ghost, means that he was deep down a 1 stepper, is totally false and irresponsible to say...

Are you an admin? If you are, you should know better...

You are right no one but God has the right to judge, however, why is it common practice at disctrict functions, camps or what have you to preach that certain things are sinful when they are not? Doing this is the equivalent to damning one to hell. I heard from many preachers growing up, though not my pastor, that if you don't follow Acts 2:38's 3-steps then you are going to hell. Isn't this the same as condeming someone to hell?

only curious not taking a shot at anyone with this post!