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tbpew · #31 03-29-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I'm not sure just how Jesus dressed but I'm pretty sure He didn't wear pants, a suit coat, a white shirt buttoned at the collar with long sleeves, a necktie (cloth necklace), and closed in shoes made from the skins of alligators, snakes or lizards. The Bible does speak of a "skirt" several times as being "men's clothing."

AMEN, I would venture to say he made himself of no reputation in his outward dress as well.
Sam, do you think that a bishop's gown is an act consistent with making one's self of no reputation?

Sam · #32 03-29-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

AMEN, I would venture to say he made himself of no reputation in his outward dress as well.
Sam, do you think that a bishop's gown is an act consistent with making one's self of no reputation?

I personally have no problem with a clergy collar or a bishop's gown or with a necktie. Some wear items like that because they think it is proper for the office of minister or bishop or whatever. If they wear it from a sense of pride, a badge of spirituality, or to be a lord over God's heritage, then the problem is in the heart, not the apparel.

Sam · #33 03-29-2007, 02:04 PM

Jesus must have looked like all of the other guys around him. I've heard that some rabbis wore a distinctive cloak at that time to distinguish them but I don't know if Jesus did. Judas told the Romans he would identify Jesus by kissing Him. He didn't say, "Get the guy with the halo, or the clergy collar, or the clean shaven look, etc."

tbpew · #34 03-29-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I personally have no problem with a clergy collar or a bishop's gown or with a necktie. Some wear items like that because they think it is proper for the office of minister or bishop or whatever. If they wear it from a sense of pride, a badge of spirituality, or to be a lord over God's heritage, then the problem is in the heart, not the apparel.

I am absolutely in your AMEN corner when you say that issues involving how we dress have their origins from our hearts.

A person who desires to make himself of no reputation makes that decision and conducts his life in accordance with the thoughts and intents of his own heart to do so.

When AB gets back, we can ask him what the thoughts and intents pertain to his heart when he puts on clothes that differentiate him from those who are not bishops within the organization of men he fellowships.

Sam · #35 03-29-2007, 02:32 PM

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That's the custom among those whom he is fellowshipping so he is just observing protocol. It's like some churches require the man behind the pulpit to have on a necktie and some churches forbid the man behind the pulpit to have on a necktie. I would comply with the local protocol if asked to minister there. I think that is just courtesy. I seldom wear a tie but I put one on to attend a funeral last week. I have been asked to speak at our local church this coming Wednesday night. I will have on jeans (it's not warm enough yet for shorts) and some kind of shirt but no necktie or jacket because that fits within our custom. I've seen one man (not the pastor) in that position who wore a tie and it was OK because that's the way he dresses to go to the church he attends and it was OK (but not the custom) at our church.

tbpew · #36 03-29-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

That's the custom among those whom he is fellowshipping so he is just observing protocol. It's like some churches require the man behind the pulpit to have on a necktie and some churches forbid the man behind the pulpit to have on a necktie. I would comply with the local protocol if asked to minister there. I think that is just courtesy. I seldom wear a tie but I put one on to attend a funeral last week. I have been asked to speak at our local church this coming Wednesday night. I will have on jeans (it's not warm enough yet for shorts) and some kind of shirt but no necktie or jacket because that fits within our custom. I've seen one man (not the pastor) in that position who wore a tie and it was OK because that's the way he dresses to go to the church he attends and it was OK (but not the custom) at our church.

Sam,
your a smart guy. My question for AB will be "why do men wear clothes that differentiate them from the men they serve"? Customs pertain to all people, every member. Bishop's robes are a purposed use of outer dress to define position.

Thanks for your perspectives, but citing custom as the basis for wearing shorts to preach would certainly not be used to differentiate the preacher from the preached at. Custom may determine whether it would be noticed or viewed as normal, but custom's that ONLY pertain to the BISHOP's are not what I would call CUSTOM's they are differentiators.

Gowns are articles of clothing with a very profound and designed purpose. Upon AB's return he can share with us what that purpose (thoughts from the heart) is.

#37 03-29-2007, 05:17 PM

It would be very appropriate and mighty big if Kenneth Haney were to attend the funeral of this fallen giant.

Sam · #38 03-29-2007, 05:28 PM

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It would be very appropriate and mighty big if Kenneth Haney were to attend the funeral of this fallen giant.

When Bro. Joe David Sizemore died in January 2003 the funeral was held at the ALJC church where he pastored for 50 years. There were representatives there from the PAW, ALJC, and UPC. He was a good man and respected by many.

Hoovie · #39 03-29-2007, 05:33 PM

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Sam,
your a smart guy. My question for AB will be "why do men wear clothes that differentiate them from the men they serve"? Customs pertain to all people, every member. Bishop's robes are a purposed use of outer dress to define position.

Thanks for your perspectives, but citing custom as the basis for wearing shorts to preach would certainly not be used to differentiate the preacher from the preached at. Custom may determine whether it would be noticed or viewed as normal, but custom's that ONLY pertain to the BISHOP's are not what I would call CUSTOM's they are differentiators.

Gowns are articles of clothing with a very profound and designed purpose. Upon AB's return he can share with us what that purpose (thoughts from the heart) is.

Good question. I asked this of a Lutheren (Missouri Synod) Pastor and he responded by saying it is one of the good things they got from Rome. The idea is that the focus not be on the messenger but rather the message it'self. And vestments help to take away the individuality of the messenger - covering clothes etc. and giving a uniformity to others who minister.

I must say outside of the more formal denominations, most of those who wear collars and vestments appear to have no problem drawing a focus to themselves and majoring on showmanship!

ThePastorsCoach · #40 03-30-2007, 12:32 AM

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AB has been a highly respected "Bishop" in those circles for years due to relationships he has cultivated. There is an entire culture and protocol in those circles that the vast majority of us have absolutely no understanding of.
Go AB!!! May you be blessed in your going out and coming in!!!!

Thanks Thad - your CRAZY! LOL and Thanks MOW - I did appreciate the post.
For the record - The Bishops did NOT wear ROBES tonight or tomorrow night (Friday) we wore black suits - black clergy shirts and Bishop's Collars.
ALL COGIC (of which I am recognized as a Bishop by - but have never joined the org per Bishop Patterson's wishes) Bishops will wear White & Purple robes and Vestments on Saturday. I will wear a black suit, purple clergy shirt with Bishop's Collar.
MY ROBES DON'T FIT ME ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL