Do you obey all of Pauls writings?

[Praxeas]

Well I could be wrong, but it is certainly NOT talking about marriage

Barnes
In the Acts of the Apostles 1Ti_6:1 we have this account: “And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a complaining of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.” “It appears that from the first formation of the Christian church, provision was made out of the public funds of the society for the indigent widows who belonged to it;” see Patey’s Horae Paulinae on 1 Tim. No. 11. To this, as to a well-known practice, Paul here evidently refers. The manner in which he refers to it is such as to show that the custom had an existence. All that was necessary in the case, was, not to speak of it as if it were a new arrangement, but to mention those who ought to be re garded as proper subjects of the charity. It would seem, also, that it was understood that such widows, according to their ability, should exercise a proper watch over the younger females of the church. In this way, while they were supported by the church, they might render themselves useful.

but some DO believe it could refer to some sort of service or position

Clarke
Taken into the number - Let her not be taken into the list of those for which the Church must provide. But some think that the apostle means the list of those who were deaconesses in the Church; and that no widow was to be admitted into that rank who did not answer to the following character.

That is what I think because the context is service...watch
1Ti 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.
1Ti 5:5 She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day,

[Rhoni]

After reading the Pauline Epistles...the answer to your question is No...I don't obey all he wrote. Have some things I need to work on.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

But why refuse a young widow????

Why are they damned?

11But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;

12Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

They aren't damned. Read the context Coop..He said "when they begu....sheeesh. Let's use an english translation ok? Get rid of the KJV lol

1Ti 5:11 But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry
1Ti 5:12 and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith.
1Ti 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.
1Ti 5:14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
1Ti 5:15 For some have already strayed after Satan.

He is talking about Younger widows whose passions draw them away from Christ and when they do they get married...obviously being away from Christ they marry someone that is NOT in the church and incur condemnation for abandoning their faith. AND besides that they learn to be idlers, going from house to house and gossipers and busybodies etc etc...perhaps this is a good argument for why it is talking about provisions because then the younger window has no need to marry a man that can help provide for her...she becomes idle with nothing to do. Look what Paul commands "So I would have younger widows marry"

In other words a young woman who is a widow should get married...NOW...so she does not become a burdon to the church caring for her and she becomes idle. She should DO something and that something is get married. Otherwise she will do one of two things....with her passions growing she will turn from Christ and eventually marry someone out side the faith or she will reap the provisions from the church and not have to work or get married and thus become an idle talker/gossiper from house to house.

Pauls solution then is she should get married now so that she will have family and someone to help her with provisions in her own home and raising a family.

[Sam]

Romans 16:16

Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you. KJV

Holy embraces all around! All the churches of Christ send their warmest greetings! The Message

Greet each other in Christian love. All the churches of Christ send you their greetings. NLT

Shake hands warmly with each other. All the churches here send you their greetings. The Living Bible

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Romans 16:16

Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you. KJV

Holy embraces all around! All the churches of Christ send their warmest greetings! The Message

Greet each other in Christian love. All the churches of Christ send you their greetings. NLT

Shake hands warmly with each other. All the churches here send you their greetings. The Living Bible

Dude....I am NOT kissing you ok?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Dude....I am NOT kissing you ok?

OK, go by The Living Bible and give me a handshake.
but,
you might be considered a liberal.

I've known folks who took that passage quite literally
and as a young preacher I've been kissed in the mouth
by some old snaggle toothed men with mustaches.
(mustaches weren't an issue back then).

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

They aren't damned. Read the context Coop..He said "when they begu....sheeesh. Let's use an english translation ok? Get rid of the KJV lol

1Ti 5:11 But refuse to enroll younger widows, for when their passions draw them away from Christ, they desire to marry
1Ti 5:12 and so incur condemnation for having abandoned their former faith.
1Ti 5:13 Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.
1Ti 5:14 So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, manage their households, and give the adversary no occasion for slander.
1Ti 5:15 For some have already strayed after Satan.

He is talking about Younger widows whose passions draw them away from Christ and when they do they get married...obviously being away from Christ they marry someone that is NOT in the church and incur condemnation for abandoning their faith. AND besides that they learn to be idlers, going from house to house and gossipers and busybodies etc etc...perhaps this is a good argument for why it is talking about provisions because then the younger window has no need to marry a man that can help provide for her...she becomes idle with nothing to do. Look what Paul commands "So I would have younger widows marry"

In other words a young woman who is a widow should get married...NOW...so she does not become a burdon to the church caring for her and she becomes idle. She should DO something and that something is get married. Otherwise she will do one of two things....with her passions growing she will turn from Christ and eventually marry someone out side the faith or she will reap the provisions from the church and not have to work or get married and thus become an idle talker/gossiper from house to house.

Pauls solution then is she should get married now so that she will have family and someone to help her with provisions in her own home and raising a family.

oH MAN!!

ok! Thanks!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by COOPER

oH MAN!!

ok! Thanks!

No problem. Try the ESV or NKJV :-)

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well I could be wrong, but it is certainly NOT talking about marriage



but some DO believe it could refer to some sort of service or position


That is what I think because the context is service...watch
1Ti 5:4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their parents, for this is pleasing in the sight of God.
1Ti 5:5 She who is truly a widow, left all alone, has set her hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day,

I disagree with both views. I believe that it refers to those for whom the Church took on responsibility. Widows that didn't have family to support them were essentially the same as a homeless person. In a practice that started in the Jerusalem church, the churches began taking care of these widows. THIS, and only THIS is what is meant by "enrolled" in the passage you quoted earlier. Paul was setting forth the qualifications for being counted among the widows the church would take care of - it was essentially like having to meet certain qualifications for a welfare program.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Chan

I disagree with both views. I believe that it refers to those for whom the Church took on responsibility. Widows that didn't have family to support them were essentially the same as a homeless person. In a practice that started in the Jerusalem church, the churches began taking care of these widows. THIS, and only THIS is what is meant by "enrolled" in the passage you quoted earlier. Paul was setting forth the qualifications for being counted among the widows the church would take care of - it was essentially like having to meet certain qualifications for a welfare program.

Exactly...

I have been trying to remember to post on this thread but I keep forgetting.

I saw Chan as the latest post and thought... good... maybe that will save me a post...

You are right on the mark about what these scriptures were referring to.

Thanks for posting it.