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09-01-2008, 05:34 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Some people are probably fakes but most are sincere. It is not my business to judge someone's sincerity.
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Agreed!
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09-01-2008, 05:44 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Do you believe that people that worship God in a demonstrative way are just out to get attention from others or do you think that they have made their minds up to just close their eyes and just worship God like its just them and Him?
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I'd say way too many of them do it for the former reason posited above. I think the Apostle Paul would have something to say about not being cognizant of others around you during your worship and about order in the church. Now I'm no high church Frigidaire, but alot what we call 'worship' is plain ol' emotionalism and isn't good, imo.
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09-01-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: Worship.
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great thread.......,good questions..........
Im just really coming to realize that worship is not about me!!!
Its about jesus....period!
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yes, amen!
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09-01-2008, 06:06 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
AMEN!
If sinner sports "FANATICS" get get all excited about their idols and demonstrate that excitement in certain physical ways, then how much more the people that do KNOW their God.
He indeed is worthy!
1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
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It appears you are making a case for physical enthusiasim by an analogy to the same (or similar) physical enthusiasim found in sports...
In the referenced scripture Paul did not do the same... "So run, that you may obtain" is in no way a reference to running around the church. It is the inner man running this race, to procure an incorruptible prize.
Unlike the outer fleshly demonstration found in sports and the cheerleaders section, emotion found in true Christian worship, is simply a by product of heartfelt praise from within. New testament worship is in spirit (inner man) and in truth (without pretension).
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09-01-2008, 06:38 PM
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Re: Worship.
When I am truly worshipping, I am on my knees or prostrate before God and weeping. Just Jesus and I. I feel clothed in his Spirit, and enveloped in his love.
Praising, I dance, shout, run, and holler...
Worship is all about Him, and praising is all about me. By that I mean...When I worship I am not asking Him for anything...I am awed and silent in His presence except for crying tears of gratitude and humility. But praising...I want to feel good and get God's attention so I go to extremes...but it is never about others, it is about trying to get to the place of worship.
I hope I explained that correctly.
Blessings, Rhoni
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09-01-2008, 06:55 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
When I am truly worshipping, I am on my knees or prostrate before God and weeping. Just Jesus and I. I feel clothed in his Spirit, and enveloped in his love.
Praising, I dance, shout, run, and holler...
Worship is all about Him, and praising is all about me. By that I mean...When I worship I am not asking Him for anything...I am awed and silent in His presence except for crying tears of gratitude and humility. But praising...I want to feel good and get God's attention so I go to extremes...but it is never about others, it is about trying to get to the place of worship.
I hope I explained that correctly.
Blessings, Rhoni
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Is there New Testament precedent for this?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-01-2008, 08:24 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
Have you ever been in worship where you got so excited or felt the presence of God is such a special way that you responded in a way that is different than singing or clapping your hands?
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Sort of. In church I'm not so likely to really enter into worship, my own hang ups I know. But at home? Definitely.
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Have you ever leaped for joy during worship or danced or ran the aisles?
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No.
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If you have in the past, do you still do that every now and again?
If you still worship God in these ways from time to time, do you do it because your Pastor teaches that you should, or is it a willingly, freely, offered thing from you to God?
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I guess freely offered thing from me to God. My pastor has taught some on worship and praise though, I think about it from time to time, but it's not the reason for my praise and worship.
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Do you demonstrate these types of worship even when you don't feel the presence of God, but just want to let him know that He is worthy of worship regardless of how you feel?
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I worship God because He is God. It's been a long time since I've entered into worship and didn't feel the presence of God, but that is not why I worship Him.
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Do you worship God to get something from Him or do you worship God because worship is all about offering something unto Him and its not about you?
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See above. He is God.
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Originally Posted by theoldpaths
Do you believe that people that worship God in a demonstrative way are just out to get attention from others or do you think that they have made their minds up to just close their eyes and just worship God like its just them and Him?
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I don't care why they worship in a demonstrative way. God alone can see the intent of the heart. I think some who are demonstrative aren't worshiping God at all, and some who are demonstrative are. God alone can judge that.
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09-01-2008, 08:26 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Is there New Testament precedent for this?
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Who cares? It is what is is to me.
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09-01-2008, 08:33 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Is there New Testament precedent for this?
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*Disclaimer* This really is an innocent question...you've always been pretty good at answering my questions, but just making sure you understand I'm not trying to be antagonistic... Oh, and making sure you understand I'm not actually asking a question about what you're asking a question about, I'm asking a question about your question...no relation to the topic at hand. 
Does it matter if it's New Testament or Old Testament precedent, and why would it? God is God through both, correct? He doesn't change, right?
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You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on
God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
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09-01-2008, 08:51 PM
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Re: Worship.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
It appears you are making a case for physical enthusiasim by an analogy to the same (or similar) physical enthusiasim found in sports...
While it may have appeared that way to some, that was not my intent. There are many scriptures in Psalms and in the OT to show that demonstrative physical worship is just fine as exampled in scripture. So the case is already made in scripture. Some like to make fun or mock or despise in their heart, those who worship God with all of their heart, soul, mind, and strength by doing something such as dancing unto the Lord; however, those same people have no problem at all demonstrating their excitement in physical ways by being a sports "fanatic" at their favorite live sports event.
In the referenced scripture Paul did not do the same... "So run, that you may obtain" is in no way a reference to running around the church. It is the inner man running this race, to procure an incorruptible prize.
Agreed. No one said it was a reference to prove or teach that one must run the aisles. The point was that some in the world will do great physical things, but for a corruptible crown, however the people of God for an incorruptible.
Unlike the outer fleshly demonstration found in sports and the cheerleaders section, emotion found in true Christian worship, is simply a by product of heartfelt praise from within. New testament worship is in spirit (inner man) and in truth (without pretension).
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