Which country has the world's lowest abortion rate per 1000 pregnancies? Is it's social policy prolife or prochoice?
OK....Question for you Aquila...
Hypothetically... if the choice were left in your hands, and by the simple stroke of a pen you could outlaw abortions in this country... would you?
If so, why?
And if not, why not?
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
TFR did you read the earlier posts I made about my frustration with the lack of significant progress in 35 years (while the banning was actually feasible). I don't have the energy to type it all up again. Let me just say that with so many people being elected primarily on the strength of their pro-life stance, I would expect things to be drastically different now....not 40 million babies murdered.
And because they haven't succeeded, they should just give up the fight?
....or should they keep fighting?
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I seriously doubt that God agrees with you on this.
Fighting to ban the killing of unborn children is a worthy and righteous cause. It is not a waste of time, effort, or money.
First, it's not going to happen. Hate to burst your bubble but it's an impossible fight in today's world. Second, global statistics show that banning abortion does little to reduce the abortion rates. Compare Peru, who had some of the strictest laws against abortion, to Belgium, a prochoice liberalized nation. Muslim countries have banned most forms of abortion but maternal morbidity is strikingly high. Abortion's legality does little to effect abortion's actual occurrence. Belgium has found sound social policies aimed at reducing the abortion rates to be very successful, even though abortion is legal in their country. So Belgium now boasts the lowest abortion rate in the world, though it's legal.
I firmly believe that God is not pleased that we spend all our time, effort, and money on merely banning abortion when global data indicates that it has little effect on abortion's actual occurrence. God wants less abortion. Sadly....Pro-Choice Belgium has successfully achieved this while we clamor around like nutcases trying to ban abortion....when no court in the land is going to reverse abortion decisions.
The issue isn't abortion's legality....the issue is how does a society reduce abortion's occurrence? We could learn a lot from Belgium. But again, conservatives will continue to reject this and pander for political points.... while children continue to die.
The "Pro-Life" myth is a Republican lie designed to use your religious convictions against Democrats.
It's a game that I'm sick and tired of playing.
Sorry you view it as a game. There are many who see it as a worthy and righteous cause, and have devoted themselves to that cause for decades.
To them its not a game.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
And because they haven't succeeded, they should just give up the fight?
....or should they keep fighting?
Yeah...well my opinion is that they haven't been fighting as much as pandering and politicking...they haven't had to do much actual fighting because too many people were satisfied and swayed by the rhetoric. Why would a politician make a stand that they were not forced to?
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"Reduce the abortion rate", huh?
(Excuse me while I barf....)
...ok, I'm back.
"Pro-choice" folks often talk about how much they want to reduce the rate of abortions. What does that mean in plain English? Reducing the rate of abortions = reducing the killing of unborns to a more "reasonable" and "acceptable" level. Maybe some folks here think that's' a noble goal. Forgive me for being totally unimpressed .
There are about 1.3 million abortions in the US per year. Since they don't want to ban abortions...how much do abortions supporters want to reduce the number by? 10%? 30%, or just how much?
I guess if they instituted some social programs and policies and reduced the number to "only" 500,000 per year, that would be considered a huge success! Only half a million babies per year?! Wow!
Again... I'm unimpressed.
At the end of the day the liberal position, while unacceptable to you, would have fewer kids dying. You're problem is you want to spank people with pro-life legislation and if you can't....you don't care how many kids die. I think reducing the abortion rate by 10% or 30% would be a good thing...that's more babies alive. But hey...you don't care about that as much as your political dogma do you? You've just proved my point.
I firmly believe that God is not pleased thatwe spend all our time, effort, and money on merely banning abortion when global data indicates that it has little effect on abortion's actual occurrence. God wants less abortion. Sadly....Pro-Choice Belgium has successfully achieved this while we clamor around like nutcases trying to ban abortion....when no court in the land is going to reverse abortion decisions.
I seriously doubt the Lord has told you that He feels this way.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Hypothetically... if the choice were left in your hands, and by the simple stroke of a pen you could outlaw abortions in this country... would you?
If so, why?
And if not, why not?
If it were entirely up to me....I wouldn't jump immediately into banning abortion. I'd institute elements of the 95-10 Initiative to reduce abortion rates. I'd put together a national think tank dedicated to studying social policies abroad and what Belgium does to significantly reduce their abortion rate. If the US could then reduce it's abortion rate lower than Belgium's (around 5 to 7 every 1000 pregnancies) I'd then examine the impact of placing restrictions on the procedure. But since such an abortion rate would be far lower than any country where abortion is banned, I might just endeavor to keep the balance allowing for choice while keeping abortion rare. That would be more realistic while achieving RESULTS. Fewer dead babies.
If it were entirely up to me....I wouldn't jump immediately into banning abortion. I'd institute elements of the 95-10 Initiative to reduce abortion rates. I'd put together a national think tank dedicated to studying social policies abroad and what Belgium does to significantly reduce their abortion rate. If the US could then reduce it's abortion rate lower than Belgium's (around 5 to 7 every 1000 pregnancies) I'd then examine the impact of placing restrictions on the procedure. But since such an abortion rate would be far lower than any country where abortion is banned, I might just endeavor to keep the balance allowing for choice while keeping abortion rare. That would be more realistic while achieving RESULTS. Fewer dead babies.
You "wouldn't jump immediately into banning abortion"?
Why don't you just speak the simple and plain truth here: From your own words it's obvious...If the choice was left up to you, you wouldn't ban abortions. Plain and simple.
Nothing more needs to be said, Aquila.
Thanks for your response.
Good night.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
And because they haven't succeeded, they should just give up the fight?
....or should they keep fighting?
Can you give one example of a Westernized country who's reversed it's position on choice? It's a pipe dream. I like The Serenity Prayer....
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.
--Reinhold Niebuhr
I firmly believe that abortion's legality is one of those things we cannot change. But we can endeavor to change those things that we can by preaching the value of life and standing for social policies that help women in crisis pregnancies while promoting contraception. If Belgium can achieve the lowest abortion rate on earth without banning abortion....the cause isn't lost...we've just got to reconsider our focus. We CAN still reduce the abortion rate. Since nations that have banned abortion in South America and the Muslim world have higher abortion rates than we do (some of the highest in the world)....why focus on abortion's legality when legality has little to do with abortion's frequency? I say attack the issue as a social problem not criminal issue. I know it causes one to recoil at first...but in the end...if we can do what Belgium has done by reducing abortions....more babies will be born alive. And that's what REALLY matters.
But at this hour the conservatives are still bent on merely banning abortion because they're under the illusion that if they ban it abortion will just vanish, go away, disappear, and they can get on with their church potlucks. But the reality is that global data indicates that the abortion rate will remain largely unaffected. Interestingly....there's less abortion TODAY in America than when abortion was illegal in this country. This is because women have more education, more places to turn, and contraceptives are more available.
If you think banning abortion is a possibility, I think you're sadly mistaken. Abortion will never be banned in this country. Sad but true. And even if such a fantasy were to be achieved....it would do little to reduce the actual occurrence of abortion. So it's obviously a waste of time, effort, and money.
Belgium has the lowest abortion rate on earth. We could to if conservatives would just get out of the way.
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