New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentance

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Staysharp said:

Sorry, but your doctrine is heresy.

Then later said:

I don't mean to offend you.

Why would I be offended? Just because you called me a heretic?

Oh, well. After the way which they call heresy so worship I the God of my fathers, believeing all that is written in the Law and in the Prophets.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Staysharp said:



Then later said:



Why would I be offended? Just because you called me a heretic?

Oh, well. After the way which they call heresy so worship I the God of my fathers, believeing all that is written in the Law and in the Prophets.

I didn't call you a heretic, I called your doctrine heresy. Big difference...lol We are saved by grace through faith...not because of what we do, but because of what Jesus did.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I didn't call you a heretic, I called your doctrine heresy. Big difference...lol We are saved by grace through faith...not because of what we do, but because of what Jesus did.

What makes one a heretic? Believing heresy, perhaps? Baptism is something Jesus does, not us. According to your logic, wouldn't repentance be an act of man? Truth is Repentance and Baptism and Holy Ghost infilling is all one big act of God called Salvation.

[SDG]

Out of 35 respondents .... so far only three believe we are fully forgiven after water baptism ...

In my opinion, intuitively we know God forgives us at repentance ....

He cannot reject/despise a humble and contrite heart.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Out of 35 respondents .... so far only three believe we are fully forgiven after water baptism ...

In my opinion, intuitively we know God forgives us at repentance ....

He cannot reject/despise a humble and contrite heart.

God accepts those who believe in Christ and repent..turning from darkness to light. I believe He even sets them free from spiritual captivity at repentance but this is not the same as divine forgiveness/remittance of sin.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Out of 35 respondents .... so far only three believe we are fully forgiven after water baptism ...

Broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to life. Few find the latter and many the former. 32 to 3, maybe?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Broad is the way to destruction and narrow is the way to life. Few find the latter and many the former. 32 to 3, maybe?

Or it might be the sign of a cultist view. Pick your poison.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Or it might be the sign of a cultist view. Pick your poison.

I'll pick the Words of our Saviour. They are Spirit and they are Life, not poison. Consider my signature.

[SDG]

When one compares the AOF's article on repentance and it's assertion that forgiveness happens at repentance and then you examine CW's recent beef w/ "relevant" preachers that he griped to KH about ... you have to ask if CW is in agreement with his org's article on repentance, also.

CW stated in his January 2008 letter to KH:

Let me share some things which I have discovered in just a small amount of
time while doing some research and checking:First, a significant portion of these young men among us are questioning"when the blood is applied." The result of their "searching" is that they have concluded that it is applied at repentance, producing the conclusion that Water Baptism and Receiving the Holy Ghost is NOT necessary for salvation. They have concluded that all "holiness" is Phariseeism - that all of our standards are traditions of men, traditions of an older, out of date generation. This thinking is already affecting young men from Every area of our nation. I have several in my district that at leaning this direction. I have talked to several men from different areas of the country and it is happening to men they know as well.

[SDG]

I believe any CLC alumnus will tell you that Segraves believes we are justified at the point of faith/repentance .... Sabellius can attest to this.