The Remission is Different from Forgiveness Myth

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He's not far from the truth ....

I think there is a notion that if one completes steps one and two but is hung up on not being able to speak in tongues and hence be born again/saved it's because you were never forgiven in the first place because your repentance wasn't "genuine" or full ...

Bernard makes this assertion in his New Birth book also ...



I find this very troubling .... in one breathe he says repentance is a full turning and is must be genuine.... yet this turning is capable through totally concentrating on him (mental assent?) in an altar session then one's tongue will be yielded to the Spirit ... and one is quickened to life .... but still dead in sin if not water baptized????

I find even more puzzling if this person has not yet been fully forgiven ... having not been baptized ... but is eligible to be filled w/ God's Spirit indwelling them while still dead in sin or completely forgiven.

And how does an altar worker fully discern in a 10 minute prayer session where a seeker is spiritually ... very odd.

The dilemmas presented here are too obvious. The assumptions made can be disastrous and/or discouraging to the new believer

Dan, it amazes me what conclusions you came up with from DB's article on altar work!

He never mentioned baptism.

He never mentioned being dead in sin or completely forgiven. You are putting your theology into what he is saying.

He never defines repentance.

You seem to be twisting DB's words into knots. Why don't you put some strings on DB and words in his mouth! Then you can make DB say whatever you want even "To a "three-stepper", your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues. " Since you agree with TimLan "He's not far from the truth ...." and are looking for ways to try and prove it.


DB seems to be saying that with true faith and repentance a person should expect to receive the Holy Spirit. That is what the Bible portrays in Acts 10.