How do you view Dan A?

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Originally Posted by Sam

1 John 5:1 says:
"If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior-- then you are a child of God. And all who love the Father love his children too."

So, in my opinion, if someone believes in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, I can call him or her brother or sister.

JW's believe that Jesus is the archangel Michael so they would not fit into the 1 John 5:1 category. Muslims would not fit into the 1 John 5:1 category either. Some Mormons could meet the 1 John 5:1 category.

This is very interesting to me. Something I had not given much thought to before I saw some different comments. But Sam the way YOU have rendered the verse and what it ACTUALLY says are two different things. It does NOT say here anything about the need to believe that Jesus is Gods son, that he died was buried and rose again all it says here is

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and everyone that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."

It says NOTHING about sonship, death burial ressurrection. It says what it says and nothing more. Now if you are of the same mind that I am you realize that one must take a holistic view of the scriptures, COMBINING them to get their full intent rather than isolating them one from another to build a conclusion of a truth or doctrine. Which is why as you CONTINUE in that same passage you come right back to what we always come right back to in salvations requirement WATER SPIRIT AND BLOOD. The testimony of God.

Simply put believing Jesus is the annointed of God is NOT all there is too it, as YOU yourself point out in your additions to what you wish the verse said (but doesn't)

Muslims DO believe that he is the Messiah (Christ) So do Jehovahs witnesses and a multitude of OTHER non "Christian" groups.

I guess what is interesting to me is that once you begin to follow a certain line of reasoning it becomes immediately clear as to its gross inconsistency.

I asked this because ***I*** have neighbours who are Jehovahs witnesses, that demonstrate a great deal of godliness at least in their behaviour with me.
Is THAT an alternative to embracing the Gospel?

Then you say that if people believe on the death burial and ressurrection of Jesus Christ they may be a brother, Jehovahs witnesses believe that . And they DO believe that Jesus is the son of God, they give a different meaning to that than Oneness people do, but so do Trinitarians and you give them a pass. Does this not put us right back into the same thinking that seems to be openly marginalized and even mocked by some on the forum that it ***IS*** what you believe about Jesus that determines your eternal standing with God?


I hope everyone is saved in the end. I wish that Carlton Pearson was right that eveyone is saved ...they just dont know it yet. But the truth is, Except a man be born again...........