Ray Boltz????

[SDG]

Berk said:

On the other side, I know people who were delivered from everything, drugs to immorality to never desire those things again.

This happened to my father when he gave his life to Christ in April 1972 as a heroin addict. He asked God to take away this addiction right now ... and He did ... prior to baptism or being baptized w/ the HG ... speaking in tongues.

This does not mean that there will not be consequences to our sins ... or that they are forever eradicated in affecting our present futures.

The Hep C he contracted as a drug user in his early 20's eventually killed him destroying his liver ... at age 60

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This not what the bible says...

Somewhat of a Catch-22....

One must already believe the Bible to be authoritative, before one can believe the Bible's CLAIM to be authoritative

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sometimes people can be so insensitive, Mich ....

They're clueless .... ridiculous conspiracy theory, that's for sure ...

I learned long ago, that no matter what you do, there is always going to be someone who doesn't approve. That's why at the end of the day, there is only one opinion that matters!

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Well that is the reason then. What a joke. Some people think they are the authority on certain things and only thing they prove is how foolish they do. Professing themselves wise they became fools. Leaving church does not alway directly affect a marriage though it can happen. It is amazing that often times those in the ship can't see out side the ship because of the ship. If you know what I mean.

I do! I thought it was kind of funny by the way.

Originally Posted by U376977

How calculating of you! You saw it coming 18 months ago! LOL. Sorry, this happened to you, both the church mess and the divorce. I hope and trust that the backslide quote is a misnomer.

Hmmmm...whether or not I am a backslider depends on your perspective. I would say that a good 90% of the membership of AFF would consider it to be a valid title. I suppose we could do a poll..... LOL

I of course, consider myself to be...ah...frontslid...I guess

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I knew when I signed on today, that I would find a nice long thread on this topic.

I will state for the record, that I don't believe homosexuality is a sin....

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(I figured it made no difference what I said next, as 99% of the forum stopped reading my post after the second sentence )

Your right, most of us don't read what you have to say...mostly because it's your attitude. On the other hand, I DO believe it is a sin.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Yeah, he has given up.

I don't know what to say about the Holy Ghost automatically curing the sin giant. The Corinthian church had a member that took his fathers' wife.
Through the yrs I have seen many people fall to many things. I've discussed the topic of fornication with a friend and he admitted that the desire/struggle never leaves.

On the other side, I know people who were delivered from everything, drugs to immorality to never desire those things again.

Speaking from my own experiences, I know without a shadow of doubt that God gave me victory several times.
Thing is, I wanted to return to the sin. I played around a time too many, or so it seems.

As time went on, I felt less and less conviction. Sure, I knew in my heart that I was sinning -but conviction was not there. I had several of that lifestyle tell me "...this isn't who you are..." "...you're not ---"
The "ex" who wasn't an ex at the time told me "...go back to church, I know that's what you want." Also "you're not ---" as the others have said before.

What it came down to at the end of the relationship was me saying something like "I think I revert back to this because I don't want to answer the calling..." or something like that.

I probably said too much.

I think your honesty really helps people understand what others go through, and this topic is so tabu people are afraid to talk about it, they are afraid of what people will think.

But I believe confession is key to be delievered. How can you get free from something without talking about it?-In James it says to confess your faults one to another..

The thing is we all have some sort of stuggle in some way, the bible does mention words like "fight the good fight." "We Wrestle" "War", this walk with Christ is a day to day thing and sometimes it's a battle, but through HIM we have victory.

To think that this life in God is suppose to be without any difficulties or stuggles is an out and out lie-


1John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michlow

I learned long ago, that no matter what you do, there is always going to be someone who doesn't approve. That's why at the end of the day, there is only one opinion that matters!



I do! I thought it was kind of funny by the way.



Hmmmm...whether or not I am a backslider depends on your perspective. I would say that a good 90% of the membership of AFF would consider it to be a valid title. I suppose we could do a poll..... LOL

I of course, consider myself to be...ah...frontslid...I guess

Backsliders generally know they are backslidden and don't deny the faith, they just are not living it. Those that deny the faith are reprobates
I consider Mich to be reprobate concerning the faith, not backslidden

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

I think your honesty really helps people understand what others go through, and this topic is so tabu people are afraid to talk about it, they are afraid of what people will think.

But I believe confession is key to be delievered. How can you get free from something without talking about it?-In James it says to confess your faults one to another..

The thing is we all have some sort of stuggle in some way, the bible does mention words like "fight the good fight." "We Wrestle" "War", this walk with Christ is a day to day thing and sometimes it's a battle, but through HIM we have victory.

To think that this life in God is suppose to be without any difficulties or stuggles is an out and out lie-


1John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

I find it easier to be honest now and people will get over it, than to keep it to myself only to be destroyed later by others.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Backsliders generally know they are backslidden and don't deny the faith, they just are not living it. Those that deny the faith are reprobates
I consider Mich to be reprobate concerning the faith, not backslidden

I thought we couldn't use that word, reprobate.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Your right, most of us don't read what you have to say...mostly because it's your attitude. On the other hand, I DO believe it is a sin.

I suppose that it's only fair that someone with one of the biggest attitudes around, calls me on my attitude! (Or, in grade-school speak... "I know you are but what am I?" )

I am far from perfect.

I have a dry, irreverent sence of humor that some people love and some people don't get.

I have a head knowledge and a memory of all the things that apostolic's believe, and yet I am in many ways so far removed from it, that my posts sometimes take on a tone of incredulousness. (Which can be misconstrued as attitude)

But mostly I am conflicted, not in what I believe, but in how to express it in such a way that it is given any fair consideration at all.

And so I respond in the only way I know how....I make a joke or say something sarcastic. It's that whole defense mechanism thing.

Reading between the lines what my post ACTUALLY said was "I don't believe homosexuality to be a sin. But I am afraid that once I say that, not only will you not listen to me, but you will all consider me to be below your notice, and to have no value as a poster on this forum, as a Christian, or even as a human being..."

There. Now you had a little insight into the scary mind of Michlow. (That is if you even read this ). So next time you see me write a post filled with "attitude", you can just think to youself "Poor Mich. It must be so hard for her to stand up for her opinions, knowing that people think she is obnoxious, ridiculous, and clueless"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I thought we couldn't use that word, reprobate.

Says who?