Ray Boltz????

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

This sounds like an argument that is trying to prove that all men are dogs.

Give me a break. We do have a biological aspect to our nature.

Scientific studies in what, rats? Mice? Labrador Retrievers?

No, human beings.

Your premise that ...genetic issues predisposing it to sinful inclinations couldn't be more wrong. Your reference to a supposed clinical and physicial condition dictating an abstract outcome is untenable.

You remind me of the bishops who tried to break Galileo's telescope because he proposed a heliocentric model of the Solar System. lol

Bro...all this means is that man's nature is corrupted from the fall down to his very basic genetic level. Even the biological process of aging is the result of the fall on our biology.

Sin is caused by the fact that we are fallible, fallen creatures and morally and spiritually bankrupt. Homosexuality and hetro-promiscuity, drug addiction, etc., is an individual's fleshly attempt to make up for that deficiency.

I think that you're only looking at the spiritual side of this. There is a biological side also. Those who have been "delivered" from homosexuality were delivered by the miraculous healing power of God. The homosexual needs to repent of sin, plead for God's grace, and pray for a COMPLETE healing in body (genetics), soul (mind), and spirit (eternal essence). The new birth only regenerates the spirit. The soul continues to need correction through teaching....that's why we attend regular bible studies. We often neglect the body and sins effects on our physical nature. Our bodies need regeneration also...that's the role of "healing". The homosexual who is saved needs to be healed from the inside out...not just on the inside. They need their whole person regenerated.

It's sad to me. Because it's like we're doctors that have the cure for this disease...but we're throwing stones and accusations at our patients. That's one reason why the Church is such a farce.