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Old 03-30-2007, 03:20 PM
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I call your attention to Romans 9:12-14, "It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." Note that GOD SAID "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated" (see also Malachi 1:2-4). Your post is an attempt to argue against what GOD SAID. You cannot deny what GOD SAID unless you are a traitor to God's kingdom.

Then, there are the things Solomon said that God hates "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren." So, let's see. God hates the proud, the liars, the murderers, people who devise wicked things, people who are quick to run to mischief, false witnesses, and those who sow discord among the brethren.

God said through the prophet Jeremiah, "Mine heritage is unto me as a lion in the forest; it crieth out against me: therefore have I hated it."

There was NOTHING in what I posted that would REASONABLY lead to your conclusion that I don't "relate to the 'love of a father toward his son'" and I really don't see why you insisted on posting what you posted. If you're thinking that my post was in response to the one before it, know that if I had been responding to that post then I would have quoted it.

Of course, this notion that "Oh, God loves everybody" is a false doctrine that comes from the very pit of Hell (not the city in Michigan). Humans are born ENEMIES of God. We are all born dead in trespasses and sins. There is nothing within any of us to cause God to love us. That God loves even one human being is solely out of the kindness of His own heart. Again, it was GOD who said HE hated Esau. For a time, GOD hated the nation of Israel. God hates the proud, the liars, the murderers, people who devise wicked things, people who are quick to run to mischief, false witnesses, and those who sow discord among the brethren.

How many people have been sent to the lake of fire through this kind of vile, effeminate, "God loves everybody" preaching going on in so many chruches today?

Given that God specifically said there were those He hated, John 3:16 clearly does not mean that God loves every human being that was ever born; so, it can only mean that God's love is extended only to certain people, i.e. His elect - the "whosoever believeth."
Chan,
You have to defy the very essence and nature of God to define Him in the way you define Him in this post.

Your testimony clearly states: God does not WILL the salvation of all His creation. This view denies that God is all loving and merciful, that He would allow any human being to be born without any opportunity for anything except "endless torment", that my friend is the biggest LIE ever perpetrated on humanity. Calvin and Augustine both, the originators of this doctrine were murderers themselves. So I am not surprised that they would embrace such a damnable doctrine.

God can hate evil and still have mercy on every human, he simply will pursue them until they willingly embrace His provision. I have hated every rebellious act of my children, but I never ever stopped pursuing their best, and neither will the Creator of heaven and earth.
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