Morning After Pill? Sin? Abortion? Contraception?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Ummm...actually, BC pills are commonly used to treat "sickness" and correct health problems.

Endometriosis is just one example of a health problem that is treated with bc pills.

Yes some use it for schists also...

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

*yawn*

bc pills stop fertilizaition, but do not perform abortions. I highly recommend not being on birth control because of the other health problems they bring.

Proactively altering the natural process of the body? When this happens with any medicine, yeah, there is a choice of playing god.

Now, try as hard as you can to not twist my statement into saying that all medicine is evil. When we take medicine to respond to anomalies and illnesses, this is a separate discussion which the forum has had.

Hormonal birth control acts both to prevent fertilization and to prevent implantation if fertilization occurs. If you believe that preventing implantation of a fertilized egg is an abortion, then hormonal birth control does indeed perform abortions.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

*yawn*

bc pills stop fertilizaition, but do not perform abortions. I highly recommend not being on birth control because of the other health problems they bring.

Proactively altering the natural process of the body? When this happens with any medicine, yeah, there is a choice of playing god.

Now, try as hard as you can to not twist my statement into saying that all medicine is evil. When we take medicine to respond to anomalies and illnesses, this is a separate discussion which the forum has had.

Actually, there is medical information that indicates that bc pills can and sometimes do cause an abortion. The warning is even included on some inserts that come with the pills.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

Actually, there is medical information that indicates that bc pills can and sometimes do cause an abortion. The warning is even included on some inserts that come with the pills.

Wrong...Consider the definition of abortion:

Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=2091

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Wrong...Consider the definition of abortion:

Abortion: In medicine, an abortion is the premature exit of the products of conception (the fetus, fetal membranes, and placenta) from the uterus. It is the loss of a pregnancy and does not refer to why that pregnancy was lost.

A spontaneous abortion is the same as a miscarriage. The miscarriage of 3 or more consecutive pregnancies is termed habitual abortion.

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=2091

Egggh ... wrong again.

The definition has nothing to do with the vast amount of medical data that seems to indicate that a bc pill could theoretically cause an abortion ... and the question then will be if faced w/ this data ... does one knowingly take a pill that some say is designed for various reasons ... including not allowing a fertilized egg to attach ...

here are four ways the pill acts to stop the male gamete reaching an egg (ovum). First, the hormones in the pill try to stop an ovum being released from your ovary each month. This is known as the suppression of ovulation. Research has shown that neither the progesterone-only pill nor the combined progesterone-oestrogen formulations always stop ovulation.

Second, all formulations of the pill cause changes to the cervical mucus that your body produces. The cervical mucus may become thicker and more difficult for sperm to fertilize an ovum.

Third, all formulations of the pill cause changes to the lining of the womb (properly known as the endometrium). Under the influence of the chemicals in the pill, the lining of the womb doesn’t grow to the proper thickness. You will notice that your periods are lighter when you are on the pill. This is because the lining of the womb has not developed properly. But this change also means that the womb is not in the right stage of development to allow a fertilized egg to attach properly.

Fourth, the pill causes changes to the movement of the Fallopian tubes. This effect may reduce the possibility of the ovum being fertilised.

It is very important for you to understand that none of these ways the pill works is completely reliable. Ovulation is not always stopped, cervical mucus does not always stop the movement of sperm the damage to the lining of the womb sometimes allows for implantation to occur, and Fallopian tube activity does not always stop male gamete and ovum from joining to create a new human person.

[dansamy]

Dan, I am a nurse. A long time ago, when I was young and naive, I wanted to be a doctor. I thought doctors took care of sick people. Now, I know better. The doctors come in, write some orders and leave. It's the nurse who is with the patient 24/7.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by dansamy

Dan, I am a nurse. A long time ago, when I was young and naive, I wanted to be a doctor. I thought doctors took care of sick people. Now, I know better. The doctors come in, write some orders and leave. It's the nurse who is with the patient 24/7.

After seeing my dad's health deteriorate after his Hep C became cirrhosis... I realized the enormous contributions of nurses during his various hospital stays ... they are the true caretakers ... many of the doctors are cold and heartless ... JMHO

[dansamy]

I'm just being nosy in this thread anyhow, since DH and I are both "fixed". (Or maybe the right term is "broken", since we worked perfectly fine before our surgeries....)

We chose permanent, surgical sterilization due to the high health risk pregnancy poses to me. I had HELLP syndrome with all three of my pregnancies and have never carried a pregnancy to term.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Yes, people that try to reverse an error in judgement by taking these pills are really attempting to play god.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

bc pills stop fertilizaition, but do not perform abortions. I highly recommend not being on birth control because of the other health problems they bring.

Proactively altering the natural process of the body? When this happens with any medicine, yeah, there is a choice of playing god.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I personally would not take the pill if there was any possible chance of contraception/fertilization taking place and then being aborted by the pill.

The sad thing is how many people end up playing God unwittingly. Most of us are told to use the good-ol' Pill when we are newlyweds, and aren't told much about the side-effects and aren't told at ALL how it works.

Most birth control pills (oral contraceptives) are multi-mode. They contain agents to prevent ovulation, and agents to prevent conception if ovulation occurs incidentally, and agents to prevent implantation if conception occurs incidentally. The mechanism of the last mode is the definition of 'abortifacent.' It intentionally ends a human life.

The pill is abortifacent, just not with as much regularity as RU-486 or an IUD.

It's such a shame to see the church boarding the "life is disposable" ship that the devil launched in 1935.

Readily available contraception was invented to ease the lives of "over-burdened" wives and mothers, and ease the budgets of fathers. I hope I don't need to describe the tidal wave of unintended consequences that have been wrought these past 70 years.

Here on AFF it is popular to point to obesity, and the presumed gluttony indicated thereby, to locate some hypocrisy in other people's lives.

I believe that vocal "family values" supporters with designer 1- or 2-child families are at risk of taking the cake here.

Get informed about how oral contraceptives work. Don't choose one that knowingly eliminates life and then continue to call yourself a Christian.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

The sad thing is how many people end up playing God unwittingly. Most of us are told to use the good-ol' Pill when we are newlyweds, and aren't told much about the side-effects and aren't told at ALL how it works.

Most birth control pills (oral contraceptives) are multi-mode. They contain agents to prevent ovulation, and agents to prevent conception if ovulation occurs incidentally, and agents to prevent implantation if conception occurs incidentally. The mechanism of the last mode is the definition of 'abortifacent.' It intentionally ends a human life.

The pill is abortifacent, just not with as much regularity as RU-486 or an IUD.

It's such a shame to see the church boarding the "life is disposable" ship that the devil launched in 1935.

Readily available contraception was invented to ease the lives of "over-burdened" wives and mothers, and ease the budgets of fathers. I hope I don't need to describe the tidal wave of unintended consequences that have been wrought these past 70 years.

Here on AFF it is popular to point to obesity, and the presumed gluttony indicated thereby, to locate some hypocrisy in other people's lives.

I believe that vocal "family values" supporters with designer 1- or 2-child families are at risk of taking the cake here.

Get informed about how oral contraceptives work. Don't choose one that knowingly eliminates life and then continue to call yourself a Christian.

Am I reading you right, OP??? ... you are against all, if not most, oral contraceptives because they all can potentially end human life? Pre and post?

Or even a regular/standard pill taken unwittingly after or right before a contraception-less encounter?

This view is held by many hard-line conservatives who do not allow oral contraceptives at all ... like the RC.