Ministers to Defy I.R.S. by Endorsing Candidates

[Light]

Originally Posted by Ferd

got no problem with it. lets level the playing field.

liberals get away with it all the time and cons get nailed to the wall when they make the mistake of supporting conservitives.

So you have no problem with lying ?? Anyway you try to cut it if you sign your name to something that has rules you are agreeing with the rules. If you break the rules you are a liar, you said you would abide with them.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Light

So you have no problem with lying ?? Anyway you try to cut it if you sign your name to something that has rules you are agreeing with the rules. If you break the rules you are a liar, you said you would abide with them.

The Constitution overrides any clause in any regulation of any branch of the government such as the IRS. Freedom of speech is the 1st admendment!

[Light]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Constitution overrides any clause in any regulation of any branch of the government such as the IRS. Freedom of speech is the 1st admendment!

So br Eply according to you, a man's word doesn't matter any more because the constitution give him the freedom of speech, even if the free speech is a lie????
The constitution does not override any document that gives certain benefits if you give your word and sign that doc.
This is the argument the UPC ministers use to secretly have a TV in their home after signing the affirmation statement.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Light

So br Eply according to you, a man's word doesn't matter any more because the constitution give him the freedom of speech, even if the free speech is a lie????
The constitution does not override any document that gives certain benefits if you give your word and sign that doc.
This is the argument the UPC ministers use to secretly have a TV in their home after signing the affirmation statement.

The Constitution is the American Caesar we render to not some governmental regulation that is always evolving. If the UPC made some regulation against the the Constitution of the org. then I would agree.

The 1st amendment trumps a regulation every time.

When pastoring I never did endorse a canidate nor party so this is not personal with me.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Constitution is the American Caesar we render to not some governmental regulation that is always evolving. If the UPC made some regulation against the the Constitution of the org. then I would agree.

The 1st amendment trumps a regulation every time.

When pastoring I never did endorse a canidate nor party so this is not personal with me.

So a preacher can sign an agreement for which he has no plans of keeping? Wow!

You do know that neither a church nor a minister has to be under a 501c3 to be tax exempt, right? But if they want the "benefits" a 501c3 offers, then they must agree to uphold its stipulations. So, are you really saying that if a preacher agrees to uphold those laws, they do not have to keep their word?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Constitution overrides any clause in any regulation of any branch of the government such as the IRS. Freedom of speech is the 1st admendment!

What about what the Bible says about lying? Does the Constitution override that also? Please, explain how your statement is not against what God said in Revelation 21:8?

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[Light]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So a preacher can sign an agreement for which he has no plans of keeping? Wow!

You do know that neither a church nor a minister has to be under a 501c3 to be tax exempt, right? But if they want the "benefits" a 501c3 offers, then they must agree to uphold its stipulations. So, are you really saying that if a preacher agrees to uphold those laws, they do not have to keep their word?

Br. we live in a world now that even those that preach and teach Acts 2:38 don't think they have to keep their word.
I was talking with a well know preacher about post trib and he told me and I quote " I agree with you but if you tell anyone I will deny saying it".
I would never go into a business deal with this man or trust his ministry.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Light

Br. we live in a world now that even those that preach and teach Acts 2:38 don't think they have to keep their word.
I was talking with a well know preacher about post trib and he told me and I quote " I agree with you but if you tell anyone I will deny saying it".
I would never go into a business deal with this man or trust his ministry.

"You cain't pray a lie." - Mark Twain, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Constitution overrides any clause in any regulation of any branch of the government such as the IRS. Freedom of speech is the 1st admendment!

Well, there are laws that forbid you to scream "fire" in a crowded theater. So even freedom of speech has its limits.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Light

So you have no problem with lying ?? Anyway you try to cut it if you sign your name to something that has rules you are agreeing with the rules. If you break the rules you are a liar, you said you would abide with them.

Brother Light, I am not a pastor. with our without this rule, my pastor would not, from the pulpit indorse anyone or any party or even point... pointedly toward his "Bibilical" concepts like on the subject of abortion. BECAUSE we are a very diverse congregation and our people support many different polictical views.

That is our right... BUT it is NOT the governments right (in my humble opinion) to tell any of us what we can and cannot say... ESPECIALLY about politics.

I would no more deny Reverand Jerimiah Wright the right to say what ever he wants, than I would any conservitive preacher.

It isnt the business of the government to tell us what we can and cannot say. Especially on 2 very important even sacred subjects. FAITH and POLITICS.

These men who have put themselves on the line have not lied. They have challenged a law, and they have informed the authorities of their actions.

They have taken (in my humble opinion) a sacred stand on the very principles this nation were founded on. God bless them for it.

And if EVERY single one of them were endorsing Barak Obama, I would feel exactly the same.

Peace to you my brother.