XUPCer Starting GAY Church in Bakersfield

[tv1a]

Just reading a few of your posts. A few curious of questions.

Are you gay?

If so, is this an excuse you are looking for to bash the upci?

Are you looking for an excuse to validiate your behavior?

The upci is dead to me, however I'm not looking for any reason to bash them. They do a good job of messing things up without my help.

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

The whole point of my post is that I'm tired of people writing off folks as reprobate and not worthy of being prayed for and don't really know the WHOLE STORY of what's really going on....and yes I've never been officially a member of UPC but I have attended there from time to time. "But a Saint you Ain't"? How do you know? Because I attack a denomination called UPC I'm not saved now. This is evidence of the sectarian spirit prevalent in the UPC...the ain't nobdy else really saved but us attitude and that's what needs to be attacked.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Just reading a few of your posts. A few curious of questions.

Are you gay?

If so, is this an excuse you are looking for to bash the upci?

Are you looking for an excuse to validiate your behavior?

The upci is dead to me, however I'm not looking for any reason to bash them. They do a good job of messing things up without my help.

No, you don't actually need a reason do you?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Weary Pilgrim

That's pure garbage. To imply that being clean shaven leads to homosexuality is ludicrus! If that was the case, most of conservative
Pentecost would have turned Homo which of course is the case.

Last,no one has ever taught that a boy can't play sports. It was "Organized sports" that was taught against. Sports also includes hunting which quite a few Apostolic men are in to.

And what is there that's not allowed to be question that leads to homosexuality? The lenghts that some of you will go to blame everything on the UPC & Apostolics is astonishing!

Well said.
There is no connection between facial hair (or lack thereof) and homosexuality. What kind of craziness is that?

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

Amen......ouch.....that's why I'm oneness pentecostal but not UPC....and some of them look like they've had there facial hair plucked. And don't forget also NO REAL DELIVERANCE taking place, no devils being cast out ever, no spiritual warfare. No real ministry taking place. As you can tell I am and will always be a UPC basher(the organization, but nothing against the poor, helpless, misguided people that are a part of that organization). It wouldn't surprise me if these XUPCer's starting gay churches picked up these homosexual demons in the United Pentecostal Church because when an organization that claims to have the whole truth refuses to cast out demons/engage in spiritual warfare this opens the door for that spirit to attack.

Oh and by the way, casting out demons is an activity that appeals heavily to MEN, thus delivering the church out of effiminancy.

Poor, helpless, misguided people that are part of the UPCI?
They picked up homosexual demons in the UPC because the upc refused to cast those demons out?

Do you know even realize how you sound saying this stuff?

I think being a card-carrying "UPC basher" is clouding your judgment. If you're not in the UPC maybe you should spend your time focusing on what God wants you to do, rather than bashing God's people in the UPC. I am sure that UPC-bashing is not the ministry God has called you to.

I sense a lot of bitterness in your post . You need to check your own spirit before you go criticizing others.

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Well said.
There is no connection between facial hair (or lack thereof) and homosexuality. What kind of craziness is that?



Poor, helpless, misguided people that are part of the UPCI?
They picked up homosexual demons in the UPC because the upc refused to cast those demons out?

Do you know even realize how you sound saying this stuff?

I think being a card-carrying "UPC basher" is clouding your judgment. If you're not in the UPC maybe you should spend your time focusing on what God wants you to do, rather than bashing God's people in the UPC. I am sure that UPC-bashing is not the ministry God has called you to.

I sense a lot of bitterness in your post . You need to check your own spirit before you go criticizing others.

Well for the purpose of this thread and this board I've become one(UPC basher) because I see people on this board standing in judgement over folks as if the UPC is the epitomy of having and operating in the fullness of ministry which it does not....how dare anyone consign folks to final no possibliltity of being restored status based on a particular sin(homosexuality)of which I'm not in agreement with either but their are other sins listed in Romans 1 alongside homosexuality and lesbianism that are just as evil and wicked in God's sight.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

Well for the purpose of this thread and this board I've become one(UPC basher) because I see people on this board standing in judgement over folks as if the UPC is the epitomy of having and operating in the fullness of ministry which it does not....how dare anyone consign folks to final no possibliltity of being restored status based on a particular sin(homosexuality)of which I'm not in agreement with either but their are other sins listed in Romans 1 alongside homosexuality and lesbianism that are just as evil and wicked in God's sight.

Oh baloney. Name one UPCer here that did that, then show how that represents ALL the UPCI

Good grief

[George]

Does anyone know how to get an online copy of the article in the October 2008 Pentecostal Herald? Someone using the pen name Will Chauss wrote the best argument for homosexuality I have read.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Minister_WD

Randy Alspaw, a former member of Pastor Leon Frost and the late I.H Terry, is starting a gay Pentecostal church in Bakersfield!http://www.bkfreedominchrist.com/ He is the pastor and his partner is the minister of music


Seems like this type of thing is growing

I remember some Alspaws from Bakersfield but they went to Elder Hoss' church. We used to live right down the street from Dustin Alspaw, there must be some relation.

[revrandy]

I think what is said is right...

if a person goes public with this type of information it becomes fodder for everybody else...

I think it certainly defines deception and spiritual blindness in one's life disguised as freedom but they are certainly bound by sin...

[OneAccord]

How does one start a gay church? Is a gay church attracted to other churches? Or does it have to be a church of the same denomination? If gay actually means "happy", would a happy church be a gay church?

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by Minister_WD

Randy Alspaw, a former member of Pastor Leon Frost and the late I.H Terry, is starting a gay Pentecostal church in Bakersfield!http://www.bkfreedominchrist.com/ He is the pastor and his partner is the minister of music


Seems like this type of thing is growing

Sir, I just checked out your link there and there is nothing on the website to indicate that this church is a gay church.....(first of all the term gay/homosexual church is a misnomer anyways). So how have you come to your conclusions that this is a gay church?