The "Abomination that Maketh Desolate"

[Falla39]

In Luke 21:20-27, Luke's account of the passages in Matt.24 and Mark 13.

In the beginning of the chapter, Jesus has just commended the poor widow that gave
the two mites. Some brought up the subject of the temple, how it was adorned with
goodly stones and gifts. Jesus says as for these things you are beholding, the days are
coming, in which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown
down. He is asked, Master (Teacher) when shall thee things be and what sign will there
be when these things shall come to pass.

Jesus tells them to take heed (notice) that no one deceives you, that many would come
in his name, declaring to be Christ and the time was drawing near. And go
not after those that were claiming to be Christ.

Jesus tells them other things, including the fact that there would be those who would
lay hands on them and persecute them, delivering them up to the synagogues,(jewish)
and into prisons, and they would be brought before kings and rulers for his name sake.

(Sounds exactly like what happened in the book of Acts.) He told them to not meditate
in their hearts what they would say for he would give them a mouth and wisdom that the
gainsayers would not be able to resist. They would be betrayed by their families and friends
and some (high priests and scribes, Saul of Tarsus, etc.) of them would they cause to
be put to death. He told them they would be hated by all men for his name sake. Then
he made a strange statement! "BUT there shall not an hair of your head perish". That
in their patience possess you your souls.

NOW NOTICE beginning with the 20th verse, "And when You shall see Jeresalem com-
passed
(surrounded) (1): to enclose on all sides : envelop <the crowd surrounded her>
(2): to enclose so as to cut off communication or retreat.
with armies, then know that the desolution thereof is nigh (near).

Vs.21, Jesus told them what to do: Let them that are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let (allow, permit) them that are in Jerusalem get out; and let them that are the
countries enter thereinto.

Vs.22, For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be
fulfilled. Read the rest of the chapter.

In Matt.24:29,30, Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sign of
the Son of man in heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

Vs.30 And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son in the heaven: and then shall all the
tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of
heaven with power and great glory.

(What did Jesus tell the high priest he would see! Matt. 26:63,64. He knew
what Jesus was telling him.)

Vs. 34, Verily (Truly) I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.

Rev.14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the
dead which die in the Lord from henceforth (from now on): Yea, saith the Spirit,
that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Vs.14, And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud ONE sat like unto the
Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the
cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap; for the time is come for thee to reap: for the harvest
of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the
earth was reaped.

And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

Vs.18, And another angel came out from the alter, which had power over fire; and cried
with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in ty sharp sickle, and
gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel
thrust in his sickle into the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of
God.

Vs.20. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the
winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred
furlongs.

For three and one half years, God poured out His wrath upon those who rejected and spurn-
ed the Son He sent to same them. It happened to that wicked generation. The wicked unbe-
lieving generation of that day.

God never leaves Himself without witness! Did He have John write these things before-
hand that we might know what happened after the destruction of Jerusalem,
after the fact!!!

God sent His Son, the heir to save the inheritance, but the wicked men left in charge
killed the heir, wanting the inheritance for themselves. (King Herod, the unbelieving jews.
But those that received Jesus, to them gave he power to become sons of God, even as
many as believed on his name. They are still fighting over there for the land that belongs
to the heir and his name is JESUS!! The earth is the LORD's and the fulness therein.

Just some thoughts as I endeavor to follow on to know the Lord in a greater measure!
The OT and NT tell us that "All thy children shall be taught of the Lord." HOW?? By
the Spirit (Father). Does God want to homeschool HIS children! Just a thought. The
Father (Spirit) in Christ Jesus, taught him. He only DID and SAID the things
his Father told him to do and say! What's our problem! Does not the same Spirit dwell in us!

If you don't agree, let's agree to disagree. I don't say I am 100% right but with the help
of my Teacher (Holy Ghost), I will get it right. I am not the teacher, just the student
at this point.

Blessings,

Falla39

[mfblume]

Now that sister Falla39 has revived this topic, I noticed Sis Alvear last commented on how she did not think YOU applied directly to the people in that day in Matt 24. I must point out that the context of YOU in Matt 23 through 24 does indeed indicate it was directly to those people alone in that day. Context is the factor. Matt 23 differentiated the people of that day to whom Jesus spoke, from their ancestors of the same nation by using the words THIS GENERATION. Jesus did not change that distinction when He used it in Matth 24, the very next chapter. THIS GENERATION in verse 34 is the same group of people that it meant in 23:36. Therefore, the use of the word YOU also must be limited to those people of that day.

And the following version of the Bible shwos this plainly!

Matthew 23:36 CEV I can promise that you people living today will be punished for all these things!

Matthew 24:34 CEV I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.

Matthew 24:34 GNB Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

[jimmyrrs]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?
Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question)

Sometimes I get lost among all the post. To put it in simple terms, in Acts 2:38 Peter was speaking to a group of people at the moment. I was not there. Yet, the message is the same today. It has not changed. So when I preach Acts 2:38 am I not preaching to a group of people at the moment?

[Falla39]

Acts 2:38, 39:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye (you) shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you (Jews), and your (Jewish) children, and to all that
are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Peter concluded by telling those present to save themselves from that unto-
ward (corrupted) (NIV) generation. That "corrupted" generation was judged
at the end of that age.

God sent the Word made flesh to that generation first.
Jesus said the Jews required a sign and the only sign that was given was that
of Jona three days in the belly of the whale. It was symbolic of Jesus being three
days in the earth. He came unto his own and his own received him not, but to as
many as did receive him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even
to them that believe on his name. That happened when Paul told the unbelieving
Jews that since they didn't count themselves worthy, he now turned to the gentiles
for, said he, they will believe.

Yes, that corrupt generation was judged at the end of that age. 70AD.

Blessings,

Falla39

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Acts 2:38, 39:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the
name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye (you) shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you (Jews), and your (Jewish) children, and to all that
are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Peter concluded by telling those present to save themselves from that unto-
ward (corrupted) (NIV) generation. That "corrupted" generation was judged
at the end of that age.
Blessings,

Falla39

Dear Brother or Sister,

I enjoy learning what other people think and believe and how they view the Bible.
Please explain the statement in red. At the end of what age?

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Dear Brother or Sister,

I enjoy learning what other people think and believe and how they view the Bible.
Please explain the statement in red. At the end of what age?

Bro. Jimmyrrs,

What I am basically referring to is the destruction of old natural Jerusalem,
the end of lawkeeping and animal sacrifices. The temple had become some-
thing that God never intended. Jesus really tore things up when he went
into the temple and accused those there, of using the temple as a "den of
theives". Jesus said his house was to be called a house of prayer for all
people, but you have made it "a den of theives".

The end of the Old Covenant, the entering in of the New Covenant with
better things, better promises, etc.

The last chapter of Rev., 22: 17, sounds like an invitation. "And the Spirit
(Father) and the bride say, Come. And let (allow, permit) him that heareth
say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take
the water of life freely.

An entrance or invitation into the everlasting Kingdom of God. The Church.

These are some thoughts as I study to shew myself approved of God,
a worker that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of
truth.

Blessings,

Sis. Falla39

[jimmyrrs]

Ok, Thanks for the reply.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
Would that mean that every time the Bible used YOU or YOUR it meant to those at that moment?
Would that not mean Acts 2:38 applies only to those Peter spoke to? ( I am seriously asking this question)

Sometimes I get lost among all the post. To put it in simple terms, in Acts 2:38 Peter was speaking to a group of people at the moment. I was not there. Yet, the message is the same today. It has not changed. So when I preach Acts 2:38 am I not preaching to a group of people at the moment?

Agreed. That is why I said CONTEXT determines whether or not the YOU in any given verse is referring only to a people in that moment of the speaking or to anyone. Matth 24:34 limits the YOU in Matt 24 to the people living at that time Jesus spoke.

[SonsOfTheOil]

very well put..good point and very accurate...if we followed the same rules thru out the entire bible we would keep ourselves out of alot of mess.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is a fitting article on this topic.http://www.americanvision.org/blog/?p=190