I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it be mandated, only pointing out that if the only way it would happen would be if it were mandated, it could still be perceived as a sign of an old problem. Saying our leadership and our constituency should be diverse is not mandating it. The fact that people automatically begin to think that the only way is by mandating or that somehow this would require less than qualified people is troublesome.
Most Apostolic organizations have a perception problem amongst people who know our histories as it relates to race. Everytime they look at our leadership that problem can be dispelled or reinforced in my opinion. We are making significant progress, but are still behind some very successful Christian movements across our country in my opinion.
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I don't think that anyone is suggesting that it be mandated, only pointing out that if the only way it would happen would be if it were mandated, it could still be perceived as a sign of an old problem. Saying our leadership and our constituency should be diverse is not mandating it. The fact that people automatically begin to think that the only way is by mandating or that somehow this would require less than qualified people is troublesome.
Most Apostolic organizations have a perception problem amongst people who know our histories as it relates to race. Everytime they look at our leadership that problem can be dispelled or reinforced in my opinion. We are making significant progress, but are still behind some very successful Christian movements across our country in my opinion.
UPC and anyone we "know" aside... Statistically, is there greater incidence of sexual moral failure among preachers of some races?
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Let's just say that in January, Alaska will need a new governor!
I really hope so
but I don't think so.
John McCain is dropping in the polls
and Dubya and the Republicans are blamed for anything bad that has happened for the past 8 years and people want change and think Obama will bring the change they want.
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12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.
UPC and anyone we "know" aside... Statistically, is there greater incidence of sexual moral failure among preachers of some races?
Not to the best of my knowledge. Personally, I know of moral failure of people from almost every conceivable background...and I also know qualified, holy men of every conceivable background who hold themselves above sexual moral failure. I fail to see the relevance though. Perhaps you could expound a little.
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I want to share this for God's glory ,God touches people and uses people of all pigments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkXiWH4iq-A
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
And as far as the voting for Obama, I'm assuming that you have the capacity to have comprehended by now that I have never even hinted that I was voting for Obama and have said numerous times that I am not a democrat...so I'll assume that that was aimed at someone else. I will say for the record for the umpteenth time that refusing to buy into the Republican political game is not an endorsement of the Democrats...I know that that does not compute for some but oh well...
I can tell you that I allowed the Republican party to use and abuse me for the LAST time. I vote conservatively, but I am NOT a Republican. I refuse to belong to any political party again. I am an Independent. I am not happy with either choice in this Presidential election but will vote as conservative as I can........as difficult as that may be.
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I am against racial quotas for leadership positions in organizations, whether that is UPC, PAW, AOG, or COGIC.
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Nobody is advocating quotas here.
Racial diversity in leadership should not be automatically taken to mean "racial quotas".
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
If mandated it is exactly that.
Please Hoover, get off it.
Nobody is talking about "mandating" anything. Where are you even getting that from? Nobody on this thread has advocated any such thing.
It's not about "quotas", as you stubbornly insist it is.
It's about being more sensitive to, and aware of the issue of racial prejudice that has been in effect in UPC ranks, and to work to create a level playing field, giving every man/woman a fair chance based on their abilities and qualifications. Over time, this creates a more diverse environment in the leadership levels of the organization ... something most good people have no problem with.
Do you have a problem with that concept, or do you wish to just dismiss it as "quotas"?
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I am not happy with what choices we have to choose from in the election,either.
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