TD Jakes Speaking at COGIC convocation

[BoJangles]

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

Oh what ever, you celebrate holloween. You have nothing to add to this topic.........

ummm I'm telling my mommy on you!

[StMark]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Mike, come on now. You know that around these parts, "I read it in a book somewhere" just doesn't fly.

Checkable, verifiable references please. You know the drill by now.

It is true that Bishop Mason got rebaptized in jesus Name
in Detroit,MI. by the late Bishop Hancock. He was up in years
when this took place.

When he came back and told the general board of the COGIC,
they thought he was losing it mentally (going senile). There was a group that even tried to organize him out of the church

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by StMark

It is true that Bishop Mason got rebaptized in jesus Name
in Detroit,MI. by the late Bishop Hancock. He was up in years
when this took place.

When he came back and told the general board of the COGIC,
they thought he was losing it mentally (going senile). There was a group that even tried to organize him out of the church

On his death bed A. T. Surratt that pastored in the city went to see Bishop Mason and he acknowledged hearing about Jesus Name baptism and the Oneness of God from Bishop Haywood but had not obeyed it. When Elder Surratt asked him why he said and lose my following.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

On his death bed A. T. Surratt that pastored in the city went to see Bishop Mason and he acknowledged hearing about Jesus Name baptism and the Oneness of God from Bishop Haywood but had not obeyed it. When Elder Surratt asked him why he said and lose my following.

He didn't obey it the time that Haywood was alive. Mason died in the early 60s. Mason was got rebaptized long AFTER haywood passed. Mason was very old when he got rebaptized and was very old when he died (mid nineties).

We use to have A PAW evangelist that use to hold us revivals in the 60s and 70s. he was OLD SCHOOL PAW. he name was Elder CT Foster and his nick name was "Sin killing Foster". He was quite the preacher!! I have fond memories of his revivals.

Anyhow, Foster was from Detroit and was saved under Hancock in the 40s.
He related the story that his pastor personally rebaptized Mason. However, as i stated earlier, Mason was never able to convince the COGIC general board to change the doctrine of the church.

Mason, in latter years saw of vision of a train in the last days. the train was full of COGIC members and was heading in to hell

[TRFrance]

These stories are certainly interesting.
No offense to anyone here but.... I'm a firm believer in the principle of "trust but verify".


Does anyone know of any books or writings out there, where some of these things are written down?

[ThePastorsCoach]

Bishop T. D. Jakes is a personal friend of mine and he does baptize in Jesus name (as I always have and always do and always will!) and I have HEARD and SEEN him baptize in Jesus Name.

I was told when I preached in COGIC (for three years exclusively) that Bishop Mason had been baptized in Jesus Name and that many of their men baptized in Jesus name.
I have been in many COGIC churches that baptized in Jesus Name.

My pastor - The late Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was baptized in Jesus Name and baptized in Jesus Name- Though after he was elected Chief Apostle and Presiding Bishop - He did not preach for the sake of unity in the COGIC.
He preached in some PAW churches and preached one of their General conferences and his message was - JESUS ONLY! I heard the tape of him preaching it! He and I discussed it many times and he believed it was very valid though Not a salvation issue.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Bishop T. D. Jakes is a personal friend of mine and he does baptize in Jesus name (as I always have and always do and always will!) and I have HEARD and SEEN him baptize in Jesus Name.

I was told when I preached in COGIC (for three years exclusively) that Bishop Mason had been baptized in Jesus Name and that many of their men baptized in Jesus name.
I have been in many COGIC churches that baptized in Jesus Name.

My pastor - The late Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was baptized in Jesus Name and baptized in Jesus Name- Though after he was elected Chief Apostle and Presiding Bishop - He did not preach for the sake of unity in the COGIC.
He preached in some PAW churches and preached one of their General conferences and his message was - JESUS ONLY! I heard the tape of him preaching it! He and I discussed it many times and he believed it was very valid though Not a salvation issue.

Do you remember A. T. Surratt from Memphis? He told me the story I quoted on here of course maybe he misunderstood I know he didn't lie. How are you doing?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I was told when I preached in COGIC (for three years exclusively) that Bishop Mason had been baptized in Jesus Name and that many of their men baptized in Jesus name.
I have been in many COGIC churches that baptized in Jesus Name.

My pastor - The late Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was baptized in Jesus Name and baptized in Jesus Name- Though after he was elected Chief Apostle and Presiding Bishop - He did not preach for the sake of unity in the COGIC.
He preached in some PAW churches and preached one of their General conferences and his message was - JESUS ONLY! I heard the tape of him preaching it! He and I discussed it many times and he believed it was very valid though Not a salvation issue.

AB, question for you then if you dont mind...

In light of such prominent and respected COGIC leaders supposedly being baptized in Jesus' name, why do you suppose COGIC still insists on Father Son Holy Ghost baptism as their official position to this day?

See reference... COGIC website:
Therefore, we practice immersion as our mode of Baptism. We believe that we should use the Baptismal Formula given us by Christ for all "…IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER , AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST…" (St. Matthew 28:19)

http://www.cogic.org/dctrn.htm

(By the way... the CAPS and bold type were in the original on their website, so clearly they wanted to emphasize that specific wording)

[PraiseHymn]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

AB, question for you then if you dont mind...

In light of such prominent and respected COGIC leaders supposedly being baptized in Jesus' name, why do you suppose COGIC still insists on Father Son Holy Ghost baptism as their official position to this day?

See reference... COGIC website:
Therefore, we practice immersion as our mode of Baptism. We believe that we should use the Baptismal Formula given us by Christ for all "…IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER , AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST…" (St. Matthew 28:19)

http://www.cogic.org/dctrn.htm

(By the way... the CAPS and bold type were in the original on their website, so clearly they wanted to emphasize that specific wording)

This is my view. I think its because of the majority. The majority (leadership and lay members) believes that to baptise in the titles Father, Son, Holy Ghost is correct and any other formula would be contrary to the Words of Jesus.

On another note, the same thing goes for the Fire Baptized Holiness Church and in their doctrine, it is VERY clear that they oppose the teachings of the Jesus Only Doctrine as well "The Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas is utterly opposed to the teachings of Christian Scientists, Mohammedism, Spiritualists, Unitarians, Universalists, and Mormons. We deny as false the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventists (Galatians 3:11; Colossians 2:16-17), Annihilation of the Wicked, Conditional Immortality and Anti-nomianism, Absolute Perfection, teaching against an organized church, the Resurrecton Life, the Redemption of Glorification of the body in this life, and the doctrine of restitution of all things as set forth in Millenial Dawnism, Jehovah Witness and the false teaching that we are not born of God until we are sanctified wholly (Mark 9:43-45; Revelation 20:10-14), Roman Catholicism (Matt. 17:5), the belief systems and practices of the Occult, Sorcery (Exodus 20:3; Exodus 22:18; Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6, 27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13; Acts 8:9-24; Acts 16:16-19; Galatians 5:20), Witchcraft (1Samuel 28:8-19; Micah 5:12), Psychics, Psychic telephone lines, Numerology, so-called New Age practices and the teaching of Jesus only (Matthew 28:19-20; 2John 7-11). " For those that dont know, this is the more stricter version of the COGIC yet they have never been COGIC. http://www.fbhchurch.org/belive.html

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Do you remember A. T. Surratt from Memphis? He told me the story I quoted on here of course maybe he misunderstood I know he didn't lie. How are you doing?

Hey Friend - I really do not remember Surratt - I left Memphis in 1974 and basically only went back to visit my parents and to preach for Bishop Patterson through the years. I did not spend much time in Memphis after I graduated from High School in Southaven in June 1974.

You must remember that Bishop Mason was kinda "out there" for quite a while and was very strange and eccentric. I did have many COGIC preachers say that he WAS baptized in Jesus Name. At his age & his position - I doubt he was still baptizing people.
He did a lot of strange things - was directed by "Providence" a lot and from what I understand was not in his right mind for several years prior to his death. His son in law - the late Bishop J.O Patterson did about the same! When Mother Patterson died - he married quickly and then died not long after and the woman got the MILLIONS that the church should have had and Pentecostal Temple never recovered from it all. It was sad!

AB, question for you then if you dont mind...
In light of such prominent and respected COGIC leaders supposedly being baptized in Jesus' name, why do you suppose COGIC still insists on Father Son Holy Ghost baptism as their official position to this day?

Because they are TRINITARIAN! Most of them don't care if you use F/S/HG or Jesus Name because they don't BAPTIZE for SALVATION! You may not know it - but Bishop G.E. Patterson left the COGIC for 13 years and built his own organization outside the COGIC. He was very successful before he came back in the COGIC and then elected to the board of Bishops and then Presiding Bishop.
I was at all three of his funerals and there were MANY PAW BISHOPS and Pastors there including Bishop Wagner and several other major Bishops.