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Originally Posted by PMBrown
Many people are overreacting to this. We are a long ways away from being a truely socialist nation. Even Europe isn't truely socialist. Russia/Cuba has not come to the US.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Communision is not socialism
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Originally Posted by clgustaveson
What is your point?
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Many equate Socialism to Communism and then look at Europe and other European Nations and say "They are not Socialists"...because they don't see communism
You can have a democracy and still be socialist
Wikipedia
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the
means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an
egalitarian society.
[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century
working class political movement.
Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via
class struggle and a
proletarian revolution, it being the
transitional stage between
capitalism and
communism.
[3][4]
Socialists mainly share the belief that
capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth into a small section of society who control
capital, and creates an
unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.
[1]
Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of
social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the
reformists and the
revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate
complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate
state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.
Social democrats propose
selective nationalization of key national industries in
mixed economies combined with tax-funded welfare programs;
Libertarian socialism (which includes
Socialist Anarchism and
Libertarian Marxism) rejects state control and ownership of the economy altogether and advocates
direct collective ownership of the means of production via co-operative
workers' councils and
workplace democracy.
In the 1970s and the 1980s, Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish and Chinese Communists instituted various forms of
market socialism combining co-operative and State ownership models with the free market
exchange.
[5] This is unlike the earlier theoretical market socialist proposal put forth by
Oskar Lange in that it allows
market forces, rather than central planners to guide
production and
exchange.
[6] Anarcho-syndicalists,
Luxemburgists (such as those in the
Socialist Party USA) and some elements of the
United States New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of
cooperatives or workers' councils.
BTW Even though the ideal is that all are equal socially and economically that has never been true even in Communistic societies. Communisim creates a two caste system basically the elite and the have nots who are all equal.
it makes everyone equally poor except for a handful of elites who also control the government
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