Deputies arrest ex-pastor

[Rhoni]

Everyone is love and forgiveness until it happens to one of your brothers, sisters, children, or grandchildren.

[grace_seeker]

Yes, he was a presbyter at the time and another pastor had to temporarily take over his duties until a replacement was voted in.

[Sweet Pea]

Okay - alright, already............... I think you are comparing apples to oranges....

Reba Rambo and a gay church - whatever..... I don't agree with it, but the website is up for all to see (if you are looking for that kind of church...)

Paula White - I'm not too familiar with her circumstances - to be honest, never heard of her until I started lurking at FCF, NFCF and now AFF - but so she got a divorce.... was it a scandal? If so, that should not have been discussed here either

I was not stating my case because this man was UPC - and it has nothing to do with the fact that some refer to him as a "brother in Christ" - it has everything to do with the fact that some people delight in spilling all the negative they can about ANYONE in the ministry - and that is WRONG! Furthermore, it is WRONG to spread all the negative information that you can drum up about ANYONE - minister or not! JMHO

Okay - having said that - I'm out of here..... we'll just have to agree to disagree.......

As Brother Clyde J. Haney used to say..... "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still....."

So to all of you............ remember this man's family in your prayers - they need it ......... and if you want to continue in discussing the situation - have at it....

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

What a bunch of sleazy gossips!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may wish to put a bridle on your tongue, OldTimey.

Do you believe it is Christian-like to refer to your brothers and sisters in Christ this way?

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CLEARED UP......

I still think that to post it on an "apostolic forum" as it was done here is:

1) malicious
2) unnecessary
3) unkind
4) unChristlike

The fact is that it is pure, unadulterated, old-fashioned gossip to be posted in the manner that it was posted. We're not talking just about this man - you are dragging his family through it as well - and heaven knows they don't deserve that!

I dont need to explain anything to you, SP, but I'll just say this for now...

I thought it was a worthwhile matter to be discussed. I had no malicious intent whatsoever. But unfortunately, you have chosen to malign my motives as malicious, unkind, and unChristlike...

Maybe you feel you are a qualified judge of the hearts and intents of men, but that position is God's alone. Maybe you should read up some scriptures on JUDGMENTALISM before you go blasting people on this forum based on false assumptions.

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

THAT's malicious and sleazy gossip - and that is exactly what the OP did! JMHO

I was taught, if you aren't part of the problem and you aren't part of the solution - it isn't your business to talk about it.

Again, the post had no malicious intent whatsoever. My conscience is very clear toward God regarding that. You may disagree with me posting it, but for you to refer to my actions as malicious is both obnoxious and presumptuous on your part.

Maybe you shouldn't speak so forcefully about things where you dont know all the facts and dynamics involved...

I'll say this...After the original post was done, there were discussions between myself and an Admin [who apparently discussed it with some other Admins], as to whether or not the post should be left up. (I don't say this to put the spotlight on the Admins in this matter, but just to point out that there was a fair amount of thought that went into this all around, in terms of deciding whether to keep the thread alive, or close it.)

I think several of my fellow posters agree with me that this is a real issue that affects even Apostolic churches, and people ought to be aware of what's out there.

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

...it has everything to do with the fact that some people delight in spilling all the negative they can about ANYONE in the ministry - and that is WRONG! Furthermore, it is WRONG to spread all the negative information that you can drum up about ANYONE - minister or not! JMHO

Who is "spreading all the negative information they can drum up" about anyone here?
And who "delights in spilling all the negative they can"...in this particular case?
....And please tell us how exactly you know this.
Why must you portray this in the worst possible light?

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

It is ok to talk about it, but when we do it needs to be done carefully, respectfully, and with grace always mindful that next time it could be us being ground up as grist in the rumor mill. ask me how i know.

I thought that could be done, AP. (I've seen other sensitive matters discussed that way on AFF... why not this? )
And overwhelmingly, from what I've seen, that's how the matter has been handled on this thread so far.

[OldTimey]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You may wish to put a bridle on your tongue, OldTimey.

Do you believe it is Christian-like to refer to your brothers and sisters in Christ this way?

Yea. I don't think I'll take my cues on how to be Christ like from you.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by OldTimey

Yea. I don't think I'll take my cues on how to be Christ like from you.

Fine, then take your cues from the Bible if you prefer. Whatever works.

I dont even know you, and you dont know me, and I dont really need to get into a war of words with you.
But for someone criticizing others for what you saw as inappropriate speech, your speech was quite inappropriate also. If you dont see that, then I acually feel bad for you.

You have zero credibility to be criticizing anyone here, when you refer to people on this forum as "a bunch of sleazy gossips". You're in no position to claim the moral high ground in this discussion.

Think about that.
Physician, heal thyself first.

Good day to you.

[Weary Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Fine, then take your cues from the Bible if you prefer. Whatever works.

I dont even know you, and you dont know me, and I dont really need to get into a war of words with you.
But for someone criticizing others for what you saw as inappropriate speech, your speech was quite inappropriate also. If you dont see that, then I acually feel bad for you.

You have zero credibility to be criticizing anyone here, when you refer to people on this forum as "a bunch of sleazy gossips". You're in no position to claim the moral high ground in this discussion.

Think about that.
Physician, heal thyself first.

Good day to you.

Brother, you did nothing wrong. AFF has a great admin team. If they would have deemed this thread inappropriate, it would have been removed on the spot.

If this story was merely hearsay or specualtion that would be one thing. It's not.


The people who are calling everyone "gossips" had no problem finding their way to this thread did they?

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

And overwhelmingly, from what I've seen, that's how the matter has been handled on this thread so far.

If u say so.

Ya'll may want to read I John 3 and 4.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

If u say so.

Ya'll may want to read I John 3 and 4.

Yes I do say so.
(And I dont see what's so funny.)

Yes I do believe that overall, the issue has been handled respectfully here. Nobody here wishes this man any ill will.

The issue has discussed from different angles...

Some of course have expressed outrage over what took place (an outrage I think we all feel) but not in a condemning manner toward the man. I think we all want him to get his act together before God. People have expressed concern for the man's family, and for the kids involved. And some have raised the question of discernment level in our churches that causes this type of thing to happen. These I think are valid discussions, although perhaps you disagree.

But I dont see that the issue has been dealt with in a salacious or gossip-like manner, the way some seemed to be claiming. So I stand by my statement.

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

Ya'll may want to read I John 3 and 4.

Well thanks (I think) for that scripture passage, AP.

But...no need to speak cryptically, sir. We're all grown-ups here, so you can speak plainly ... what specifically do you want us to apply from that passage there you've mentioned?

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[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes I do say so.
(And I dont see what's so funny.)

Yes I do believe that overall, the issue has been handled respectfully here. Nobody here wishes this man any ill will.

The issue has discussed from different angles...

Some of course have expressed outrage over what took place (an outrage I think we all feel) but not in a condemning manner toward the man. I think we all want him to get his act together before God. People have expressed concern for the man's his family, and especially the kids involved. And some have raised the question of discernment level in our churches that causes this type of thing to happen. These I think are valid discussions, although maybe you disagree.

But I dont see that the issue has been dealt with in a salacious or gossip-like manner, the way some seemed to be claiming. So I stand by my statement.

No need to speak cryptically, sir. We're all grown-ups here. You can speak plainly .. what specifically do you want us to apply from that passage you mentioned?

I dunno brother, perhaps you should go back and read where people wished physical harm on the guy. That doesn't sound respectful to me and it sure sounds like ill will is being projected onto the guy.

Regarding I John, it would seem obvious what is applicable when we're talking about the love of Christ.