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Old 10-26-2008, 04:17 PM
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Now I don't think I could go along with some of the other practices found in these liturgical churches...

In the case of the Lutheran Missouri Synod there seems to be a very close attachment of forgiveness of sins and communion - which is a weekly practice. However, I have similar reservations regarding the Pentecostal custom of altar calls for saints and shockamoo as a "sign" of connecting to God.
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Actually the entire service. Very formal, alternate readings of scripture, a few candles... Reciting the Apostles creed... etc. (no incense, Holy water or icon busts of saints though)
Sure, schedule a formal move of God.
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Can people honestly picture the early church running a liturgical service? Incense, ominous, funeral-like hymns?
Not in the extreme - no. But neither do I believe the early church was rock'in out to "Jesus on the Mainline" or a typical Pentecostal revival service.
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Re: Liturgical Worship - Do you like it?

You know what? I've been around the barn a few times. Ok, maybe more than a few. I grew up in a semi-formal church that didn't worship the liturgy, but certainly used enough in their services to be considered a liturgical congregation. Then I moved to an Apostolic Church for many years. And now I am back in a church that is probably less liturgical than the church I grew up in, but liturgical still-the-same.

I used to think "Catholic" or "Lutheran" when you said the word liturgical. I've changed that. Now when I think liturgical, I think of following a familiar form in worship.

In that sense, I have to tell you that I would probably find MOST, if not all, Apostolic Churches to be liturgical in their own ways. Even those who don't follow a familiar formula for most of their services do something that I consider liturgical: when things don't seem to be "working", they return back to the familiar - to what has worked in the past.

So do I like liturgical worship? I guess you could say I do I don't like things like a high mass or something like that. But I do like the familiar where I can feel most comfortable and just relax and worship my God without worrying that I'll get busy worshiping and the service will take a sudden turn, leaving me behind and embarrassed. LOL
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Even many of our Pentecostal services are structured worship and honestly...I hate it.
I used too.....
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Sure, schedule a formal move of God.
Pentecostals do. It's called a 'revival'.
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That is true, but there must be order as well.
Thats why I say we need to make time. I believe we should have ordered services, but not so tight that we have to rush through programs.

We used to spend a lot more time between songs in just worship
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I used too.....
What I mean is, when the entire services is so structured that you are going from one program to another...structured. It becomes mechanical when you are not allowed to just spend time freely worshiping
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Pentecostals do. It's called a 'revival'.
The dates are scheduled to have special services.

Not the same

Revival may or may not occur.

I assume this was in jest.
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I assume this was in jest.
Not really......
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