UPCI Ministers and Televison

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I dont know why some of you choose to cloud the issue, when the issue is actually pretty straightforward here.

If they sign something saying they wont own a TV in their homes, then they should honor their word. To do otherwise is dishonest. Plain and simple, it's lying.

If they insist they want to have a TV in their house, then they shouldn't sign something pledging that they wont own one. Again, if a man signs an agreement knowing that he intends to violate it (or is already violating it and plans to keep doing so), then he's not being truthful. What's wrong with expecting a man to keep his word?

It's not even an issue of whether it's acceptable or not for an Apostolic minister to have a TV at home. That's not being debated here; and good men can and will always disagree on that issue. But I think we should all be able to agree that if a man gives his word, verbally or by signing something, he should keep his word. That is the honorable way for a man to conduct himself, not just before man, but also in the sight of God.

Thank you TRFrance. Well said.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I dont know why some of you choose to cloud the issue, when the issue is actually pretty straightforward here.

If they sign something saying they wont own a TV in their homes, then they should honor their word. To do otherwise is dishonest. Plain and simple, it's lying.

If they insist they want to have a TV in their house, then they shouldn't sign something pledging that they wont own one. Again, if a man signs an agreement knowing that he intends to violate it (or is already violating it and plans to keep doing so), then he's not being truthful. What's wrong with expecting a man to keep his word?

It's not even an issue of whether it's acceptable or not for an Apostolic minister to have a TV at home. That's not being debated here; and good men can and will always disagree on that issue. But I think we should all be able to agree that if a man gives his word, verbally or by signing something, he should keep his word. That is the honorable way for a man to conduct himself, not just before man, but also in the sight of God.

TRFRance, they are asked if they OWN a television.

A man could honestly say he does not own one, and sign the affirmation statement, even though his wife or kids may own one in his home.

I love the way legalism always has loopholes.

Makes things so much more fun.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

According to the UPCI bylaws, a minister can...

• Have a television program, but not a television.
• Advertise on television, but not own one.
• Watch anything on the internet, including porn, but not own a television.
• Watch television anywhere but in his own home, unless his wife or kids "own" the television.
• Purchase full seasons of television programs.

Herein is the problem with legalism. There is always a loophole. A minister can watch anything, literally ANYTHING on the internet. Shows from abc.com, cbs.com, fox.com and much more of the exact same content found on the box we call television.

The trouble is, you seem to worship the almighty manual. Why not return to the Word of God?

Can you quote it saying they can watch Porn on the internet or you were just being.....well silly is a tamer word than what I wanted, but let's go with that?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

According to the UPCI bylaws, a minister can...

• Have a television program, but not a television.
• Advertise on television, but not own one.
• Watch anything on the internet, including porn, but not own a television.
• Watch television anywhere but in his own home, unless his wife or kids "own" the television.
• Purchase full seasons of television programs.

Herein is the problem with legalism. There is always a loophole. A minister can watch anything, literally ANYTHING on the internet. Shows from abc.com, cbs.com, fox.com and much more of the exact same content found on the box we call television.

The trouble is, you seem to worship the almighty manual. Why not return to the Word of God?

BTW that's not really legalism. that's inconsistent, hypocritical...probably a lot of other words, but not legalism.

[Praxeas]

BTW actually many so called televisions. have no tuners or are just giant monitors waiting for a signal.

I have a 22 inch monitor for my PC..I can make it a TV essentially by putting a tuner in it

many Pastors back in the day when they approved video got TVs because that was the only real way to watch video.

It's not "legalism"...it's just stupid.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If somebody can't honestly sign the affirmation statement,they proably shouldn't join the org.
If one is going to teach and preach things different from the org,why be a member of it ?

[Sherri]

I have nothing against the UPC, but threads like this really make me glad that I'm INDEPENDENT.

[George]

To answer the first question - I am not a licensed UPCI preacher but I could name more than five UPCI pastors/preachers within 30 miles from me that have TV's hooked up to cable in their homes.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Easy, have your wife buy it and say it's hers.

Your compromise is found faulty.

If the television is hers, it's also his, understanding they are no longer two but one. In another instance, if the minister has a television and utilizes that mentality as an excuse to own a television, he's still rendered a coward and a liar. Reason being he's the head of the household and what is brought into his home must first get his approval. If he approves of something he shouldn't, he's as guilty as his wife.

6) But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. +
7) FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER,
8) AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can you quote it saying they can watch Porn on the internet or you were just being.....well silly is a tamer word than what I wanted, but let's go with that?

There is no prohibition against anything on the internet, period.

It's wide open access.