Do you think Two Church services a month is enough?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Those things don't bother ME, but they seem to both some of the more conservative.

Just out of curiousity, in your book, why should I go to church anyway, since God doesn't hear my prayers?

Ever hear of preaching and conviction????????????????? And help-strength-fellowship?????????????
Nearly all serial killers were and are loners. Just a thought.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Exactly, as much preaching and teaching I have heard in 17 years how much does someone need?

17 years, 52 weeks a year, 3 times a week, 1-1/2 hour a lesson equals: 3,978 hours of learing.

There is a difference between teaching and learning they are not the same.
Some learn faster other slower much slower and some sad to say never learn.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Ever hear of preaching and conviction????????????????? And help-strength-fellowship?????????????
Nearly all serial killers were and are loners. Just a thought.

Oh Bro. E that cracked me up!

I appreciate your concern, but I don't think I am a danger to myself or others

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Oh Bro. E that cracked me up!

I appreciate your concern, but I don't think I am a danger to myself or others

Last famous words of Ted Bundy................................

Originally Posted by Michlow

And once the saints are equipped? I mean, honestly, how long does the spoon-feeding needs to go on? Then need to be trained and then released to work. Just my opinion of course, and such worth very little.

What kind of vile, wicked, evil thing is in your heart that you would DARE call the purpose of the "five-fold ministry" (to equip the saints to do the work of serving God) "spoon-feeding"? You're saying that GOD'S PURPOSE for apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers (or, perhaps more correctly, pastor-teachers) is spoon-feeding!

The problem, more often than not, is that the saints don't want to be equipped, they want to sit on their blessed assurance and be spoon-fed. They want to be blessed, made to feel good about themselves, to be ministered to.

Some saints take longer to equip than others (usually because of the saints themselves). As for releasing them, they're to be released when God says to release them (an example is when the Holy Ghost told certain prophets and teachers in Antioch to send Paul and Barnabas on what we call Paul's first missionary journey).

Originally Posted by COOPER

Exactly, as much preaching and teaching I have heard in 17 years how much does someone need?

17 years, 52 weeks a year, 3 times a week, 1-1/2 hour a lesson equals: 3,978 hours of learing.

And what are you DOING with all that you have been taught?

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Chan

What kind of vile, wicked, evil thing is in your heart that you would DARE call the purpose of the "five-fold ministry" (to equip the saints to do the work of serving God) "spoon-feeding"? You're saying that GOD'S PURPOSE for apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers (or, perhaps more correctly, pastor-teachers) is spoon-feeding!

The problem, more often than not, is that the saints don't want to be equipped, they want to sit on their blessed assurance and be spoon-fed. They want to be blessed, made to feel good about themselves, to be ministered to.

Some saints take longer to equip than others (usually because of the saints themselves). As for releasing them, they're to be released when God says to release them (an example is when the Holy Ghost told certain prophets and teachers in Antioch to send Paul and Barnabas on what we call Paul's first missionary journey).

Oh Chan, you are so easy to get riled up, and for once I wasn't even trying!

yes, I do think there is a point where what should be "equipping" turns into spoon-feeding. Call me wicked or vile or what have you. (Or course I am sure you already think I am all that just for being a woman who dares to speak her mind...)

I really could care less about what others do. But perhaps I feel that I have been adequately equipped? That is if you think women are even smart enough to understand the Bible, or spiritual enough to have a relationship with God.

Oh well, at least you are predictable.

Originally Posted by Michlow

Oh Chan, you are so easy to get riled up, and for once I wasn't even trying!

yes, I do think there is a point where what should be "equipping" turns into spoon-feeding. Call me wicked or vile or what have you. (Or course I am sure you already think I am all that just for being a woman who dares to speak her mind...)

I really could care less about what others do. But perhaps I feel that I have been adequately equipped? That is if you think women are even smart enough to understand the Bible, or spiritual enough to have a relationship with God.

Oh well, at least you are predictable.

If you think you've been equipped, then what are you doing about it?

My strong objection was to your equating the BIBLICAL function of equipping the saints with spoon-feeding.

[Steve Epley]

I am glad I have noi lost my first love for God-church-the man of God-Bible-fellowship. He is my dwellingplace no where I occationally visit.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Keep in mind that you were only allowed to listen, not to ask questions or participate. That's not learning, that memorizing. Scripture is one thing. But the Pastor's opinion is another.