Yeah, I wonder how the so called christians who voted for him can explain this.
Because some Christians got it! The abortions issues not going away, many realize it was low on McCain fix it list! Second, McCain just didn't get it, people didn't want another eight years of same ole, same ole, It's not working folks! People want changes, and a trigger happy old man still caught up in a war in his own mind, wasn't what the people wanted!
Last GWB made it where no one wants another so called McCain/ SP headcase Christians voted into office running the world! So we as Christians better face the facts!
Yeah, I wonder how the so called Christians who voted for him can explain this. Especially the black churches who went crazy for him
TS... To me, a lot of it comes down to this: The GOP has a serious race problem. For a variety of reasons, many if not most African Americans see the GOP as either outright racist or insensitive to many of the issues that the black community cares about.
Thus the Republican party has lost the black vote, at least for the foreseeable future, and probably forever. And they're losing the Hispanic vote too. And as the the percentage of whites in the US population continues to decrease over time, the GOP will find it harder to win national elections as minority groups grow in number and thus voter clout at the polls.
People may debate the accuracy of the existing stereotype, but it is what it is... The stereotype that is firmly established in many minds is that the Democrats care about the issues that concern racial minorities, and women, and the Republicans are mostly a white men's party.
I've heard person simply put it this way: "The Republicans care so much about the unborn, but they dont care as much about those who are already born, especially if you're not rich and/or white".
With this being a widespread perception out there, the GOP needs to either change it's badly damaged image, or it will become less and less relevant in future national elections. Bottom line is, even many blacks and other minorities who are personally anti-abortion will still vote Democrat consistently because there are other [social] issues to them that are more prominent in their minds than abortion.
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Because some Christians got it! The abortions issues not going away, many realize it was low on McCain fix it list! Second, McCain just didn't get it, people didn't want another eight years of same ole, same ole, It's not working folks! People want changes, and a trigger happy old man still caught up in a war in his own mind, wasn't what the people wanted!
Last GWB made it where no one wants another so called McCain/ SP headcase Christians voted into office running the world! So we as Christians better face the facts!
Some Christians can dilute their consciences if they want by saying "abortion won't go away" but the fact remains that legalized abortion has done nothing but increase the slaughter of babies by the tens of millions.
4,000 plus troops have died in 6 years, tens of thousands of enemy troops and combatants as well as civilians. War is terrible. The deaths are a sad fact. I do not rejoice in it. I do know that the logic behind the war, although arguable, at least for some has justification. We were attacked, we are defending ourselves from future attacks.
But the numbers of murdered babies every year numbers in the millions and some Americans and Chrisitans choose to use illogic to defend their vote for the party that has continuously fought to keep the murder of babies legal. And do you know why its easy to simply say "people will kill babies anyway"?
We are desensitized. If we saw video footage of the images and pictures of what these poor defenseless children looked like and what they went through during and after the abortion every night on the evening news, Americans would hange their opinion. If the Dems would join the GOP in an effort to partner unwanted children with adoptive parents and make the process easy, things could change. If we had Hollywood directors making movies right before elections about children in the womb and their viability, or about those who have survived abortion insead of anti war films or anti W films, public sentiment would change.
But instead we ignore the slaughter of millions because they cant fight back, they cant speak up for themselves, they cant describe what they feel and go through as their limbs are being ripped from their bodies or saline solution is burning them or a pair of forcepts is plunged into their skulls and thier brains are sucked out of their craniums.
We are heartless. We are gutless. We are too consumed with "its the economy stupid". We care too much about our pocketbook issues. And most babies are aborted for financial or convenience reasons. Well its the love of money that is the root of all evil.
And the lack of protest from African-Americans is most mistifying. A overwhelming disproportionate number of abortions are black babies. The marketing of and promotion of abortion to the black community is aggressive and no one wants to talk about it.
You can sweep it under the rug if you want to, but there is a God who sees the secrets of men and He sees the motives of the heart and He knows the identity and every name of every murdered child. The sin of leaglized abortion will be reckoned with someday. I choose to do all I can even if seemingly small to do all I can to change the laws as well as change the hearts of ungodly men and te minds of Christians who decide that the innocent blood of murdered babies is not our responsibility or something we should be overly concerned about.
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Because some Christians got it! The abortions issues not going away, many realize it was low on McCain fix it list! Second, McCain just didn't get it, people didn't want another eight years of same ole, same ole, It's not working folks! People want changes, and a trigger happy old man still caught up in a war in his own mind, wasn't what the people wanted!
Last GWB made it where no one wants another so called McCain/ SP headcase Christians voted into office running the world! So we as Christians better face the facts!
There are many other moral reasons a Christian should not have voted for Obama other than the abortion issue.
Some Christians can dilute their consciences if they want by saying "abortion won't go away" but the fact remains that legalized abortion has done nothing but increase the slaughter of babies by the tens of millions.
4,000 plus troops have died in 6 years, tens of thousands of enemy troops and combatants as well as civilians. War is terrible. The deaths are a sad fact. I do not rejoice in it. I do know that the logic behind the war, although arguable, at least for some has justification. We were attacked, we are defending ourselves from future attacks.
But the numbers of murdered babies every year numbers in the millions and some Americans and Chrisitans choose to use illogic to defend their vote for the party that has continuously fought to keep the murder of babies legal. And do you know why its easy to simply say "people will kill babies anyway"?
We are desensitized. If we saw video footage of the images and pictures of what these poor defenseless children looked like and what they went through during and after the abortion every night on the evening news, Americans would hange their opinion. If the Dems would join the GOP in an effort to partner unwanted children with adoptive parents and make the process easy, things could change. If we had Hollywood directors making movies right before elections about children in the womb and their viability, or about those who have survived abortion insead of anti war films or anti W films, public sentiment would change.
But instead we ignore the slaughter of millions because they cant fight back, they cant speak up for themselves, they cant describe what they feel and go through as their limbs are being ripped from their bodies or saline solution is burning them or a pair of forcepts is plunged into their skulls and thier brains are sucked out of their craniums.
We are heartless. We are gutless. We are too consumed with "its the economy stupid". We care too much about our pocketbook issues. And most babies are aborted for financial or convenience reasons. Well its the love of money that is the root of all evil.
And the lack of protest from African-Americans is most mistifying. A overwhelming disproportionate number of abortions are black babies. The marketing of and promotion of abortion to the black community is aggressive and no one wants to talk about it.
You can sweep it under the rug if you want to, but there is a God who sees the secrets of men and He sees the motives of the heart and He knows the identity and every name of every murdered child. The sin of leaglized abortion will be reckoned with someday. I choose to do all I can even if seemingly small to do all I can to change the laws as well as change the hearts of ungodly men and te minds of Christians who decide that the innocent blood of murdered babies is not our responsibility or something we should be overly concerned about.
Christians makeup very little of the population when it comes to votes! The fact that Christians buy into the whole I'll stop abortion speech if I'm electives has been proving false!
If Christians/ Churches want change, they need to get their own candidate in and stand behind them. Not some ho joe they offer up ever four years, that leaves you voting for the leaser of two evil, evil is evil!
Christians want make a difference get out there help these young women unwed mothers, stop with all the lip action, get into the mud! This means taken on the burden, bring em into your home to live, going the whole nine yards, making sure these women get medical treatment throughout their pergancies and after. You pay all bills. You make sure they have food, perinatal vits and get them to their doctor apt, sonograms, etc! You also drive em, after the baby born you buy diapers, baby formula, make sure it has all it's shots, etc. This keeps going until the kids 18....
Yeah that's a lot work and time, not many will get that evolved, nor want to!
Stew I know voting for a Repulican doesn't guarantee an overturning of R v. W, but the chances of Obama nominating Clarence Thomas, Alito, Roberts, Scalia type justices is nearly guaranteed not to happen. The SC has not been able to overturn R v. W b/c some of the justices appointed by GOP Presidents have proven to be less conservative than originally thought. ALL of the recent Democrat appointees are solidly in favor of abortion.
If I can get 70 percent chance of a conservative justice who will help overturn R v W I'll take it over a ZERO chance.
I'm just confused as to the lack of response when McCain can outright say that how someone would vote on Roe v. Wade will not influence his decision to appoint him or her. We either care about 40 million murders or we don't. I know that we can debate the benefits of overturning Roe v. Wade and whether it will help anything...but what is not debatable is what the majority of McCains supporters strongly feel should happen. I am also of the opinion that if Obama or any other liberal promised to do something that was contrary to what the vast majority of their constituents passionately felt to the same extent that the right feels about abortion, the fallout would be immediate and fatal. We have placed ourselves in a bad position.
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The black community is one thing. Black Christians ought to know better.
Mike Williamson, part of the problem is that even many white Christians are starting to see through the manipulation of our religious views through purely rhetorical positions and decades of the actions not adding up.
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TS... To me, a lot of it comes down to this: The GOP has a serious race problem. For a variety of reasons, many if not most African Americans see the GOP as either outright racist or insensitive to many of the issues that the black community cares about.
Thus the Republican party has lost the black vote, at least for the foreseeable future, and probably forever. And they're losing the Hispanic vote too. And as the the percentage of whites in the US population continues to decrease over time, the GOP will find it harder to win national elections as minority groups grow in number and thus voter clout at the polls.
People may debate the accuracy of the existing stereotype, but it is what it is... The stereotype that is firmly established in many minds is that the Democrats care about the issues that concern racial minorities, and women, and the Republicans are mostly a white men's party.
I've heard person simply put it this way: "The Republicans care so much about the unborn, but they dont care as much about those who are already born, especially if you're not rich and/or white".
With this being a widespread perception out there, the GOP needs to either change it's badly damaged image, or it will become less and less relevant in future national elections. Bottom line is, even many blacks and other minorities who are personally anti-abortion will still vote Democrat consistently because there are other [social] issues to them that are more prominent in their minds than abortion.
There are a lot of perception issues that need to be addressed. On one hand we can ask "if a homosexual is voting, which party would he tend to vote for?"...On the other hand some would ask, "if a militant white supremacist was voting, which party would he vote for?".
As to your last sentance, that does ring true to a great extent. The flip side is that many are asking, "what concrete is being promised as it relates to abortion and our plan to end it?"
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Unfortunately, I think the legality of abortion in the U.S. has passed the point of no return. As they say, "you can't put the toothpaste back into the tube".
This is over. Abortion has gotten so entrenched into the fabric of American society that I can't see it ever being outlawed again.
Abortion will remain legal until Jesus comes.
But as for these abortion doctors, I'd hate to be in their shoes on Judgment Day. Their judgment might seem to be slow in coming, but it's coming.
I agree. Unfortunately, Roe v. Wade is now 30 years set in precedence and will be highly unlikely to be overturned by the SCOTUS.
I heard Anton Scalia at Harvard on C-Span say that he doubted it would ever be overturned due to it's long standing as the law of the land. If Scalia, the most conservative justice on the SCOTUS doubts, I'd say hope is dim.
The only thing that will cure this country's abortion problem is the same thing that will cure our drug, drinking, adultery, assault, and ID theft problem. The gospel of Jesus Christ preached with the annointing of the Holy Ghost causing sinners to identify and admit their sin and turn from it toward a Holy God.
It won't be petitions to Washington from Rod Parsley or loud protesting.
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