Five fold ministry???? Who are they at your Church?

[COOPER]

Where is the Rank and Order of the Five Fold Ministers????

Why are the Pastors recieving tithe and not the others????

Why is not this office shared as a whole????

Originally Posted by COOPER

Five fold ministry?

Has man created another doctrine by using Gods scripture?

Where in this verse does it give rank and order?

And where does it teach men receive any kind of calling to such.

Who today is an Apostle?

Who is the Apostle of UPC or your Church.

Are there Five seats on the platform for Five ministers?

And who then is the Head or leader among-st them?

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coop,

You are making the transition from the Scripturally ignorant to the utterly ridiculous.

Originally Posted by COOPER

No I am not Coon.

Who are the men of the Five fold ministry at your Church Coon?

Why do Pastors became the leader of a Church?

Where is the rank and order of the five fold ministry Coon?

Utterly ridiculous???

Who determined that a Pastor is a recipient of tithes and called a man of God and not the other four????

Yes!!! It's ridiculous to this ignoramus.

What up with this?

[mfblume]

Tradition.

Alternative: Tithes go to the five fold ministry and workers in the church, but are never meant to be law.

Firstfruits: Something other than tithes, go to the set man in the church. Eg. The ANGEL of the church is any one of the five fold ministries, but is the particular one set in the local church.

[Actaeon]

two in a row

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

two in a row

Two challenges to tradition? How about contrasting with scripture instead of tradition?

[Actaeon]

Yeah, I am still studing ALL the scriptures you brought out...........

[berkeley]

Blume,

now don't ya go and make some sense... you'll make some idiot lurker go and rebel against his pastor..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Actaeon

Yeah, I am still studing ALL the scriptures you brought out...........

Amen. Like Revelation chapters 2 through 3 and the ones about tithes and firstfruits.

I used to think firstfruits were tithes, but now see they are not. VERY interesting study!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Two challenges to tradition? How about contrasting with scripture instead of tradition?

Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians 4:10-12 (in Context) Ephesians 4 (Whole Chapter)

This verse is plural, is this for one assembly?

Who are the Apostles of today?

Who is reconized as the Prophet?

[mfblume]

Neh 10:37 KJV And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Firstfruits were for priests in the OT and tithes for the Levites.

All Levites were not priests. Aaron's lineage was only one lineage in the Levites. His lineage was priestly.

Firstfruits are something God can bless us in, but one has to learn about them now.

Tithing is not LAW, but it is a way God can bless us. People make the mistake of going too far both ways -- no tithes or tithes demanded legalistically.

We still give, but it leaves DUTY to come to OPPORTUNITY now.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by COOPER

This verse is plural, is this for one assembly?

Could be, depending upon the size.

Who are the Apostles of today?

Those gifted to oversee several churches.

Who is reconized as the Prophet?

Those with the gift and a multitude of signs and wonders, used in the prophetic word. Unfortunately there are too many non-prophet organizations.